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MELEE



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2003 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One of the greatest lessons living in the "developing" world has taught me: Babies (and children) don't need all that stuff people in the US think they do.

Being a newlywed in Mexico, I'm asked at least once a week when the baby's due. Surprised So it is something that I have to think about a lot. I would like to have a child, but the biggest challenge to our relationship and my sanity would be parenthood. I'm fluent in Spanish and my husband fairly competent in English (He's passed FCE) and I feel like we have few linguistic misunderstandings. We do however have cultural misunderstandings. A child would compound these (much more than having different first languages).

In terms of raising the child, my mother-in-law would be a much bigger player than she is in our lives now, we get along well now, (she and I) but when I see her with her current grandchildren, I get a shiver in my bones. Would we be able to understand each other? Or would we be constantly fighting? I would want her to be one of the caretakers because there is a great gift she would be able to give my child--a language. Her first language is not the same as my husband's, and I'd want our child to be trilingual, to know his or her heritage language, to help preserve a dying culture. But some of the treatments of newborns here, go beyond just being different, so are (in my belief system) detrimental. (Like keeping a smoking cigarette butt next to the cradle to ward off "mala aire") Would I be able to resist taking the credit card and the baby and getting on the first bus to the airport? Confused
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Seth



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2003 9:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In China I taught mostly kindergarten and primary school. I didn't really want to teach those groups, per se, but I learned to love it after a while. I guess I echo Roger's thoughts, in that I learned that I kinda like kids and found myself wishing I had some. Especially Chinese kids as they're so cute, when they aren't punching you in the crotch or sticking their finger up your bum.

It was rather sad, though, as at Chinese private boarding school kids are basically abandoned for the year to a drab, strictly regimented life of 12 hour school days and teachers who won't give them any kind of punishment or guidance for fear of the parents. Then there are the parents, but we don't need to go into that. Kids were basically starved for affection and I found myself subject to a lot of hand-holding and hugs and I couldn't sit down in public without little students crawling on my lap. Sometimes they'd ask me if they could sleep with me in my room (asked in all innocense, of course). It was fun and sad at the same time.

Once on CCTV nine there was a documentary about an old Canadian woman who married an old Chinese man. Neither could speak the other's language at all. The woman was a crazy old bat, though, so I don't know if you could make a case study out of it!
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Roger



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2003 3:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

there was that story in some recent newspaper about an Amrican woman in her 40's, divorced and filthy wealthy who craved a challenge, started a relationshhip with a Chinese in Sichuan via the Internet.
BOth had children from their earlier relationships.
SHe moved to China, hated the living conditions but loved the man and his child, and vice versa.
Now they are happily together (I do not know if they have married yet).
An interesting story from a number of points of view! Well, I guess the money the woman has helped her weather many a storm.
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denise



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2003 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Roger wrote:
there was that story in some recent newspaper about an Amrican woman in her 40's, divorced and filthy wealthy who craved a challenge


This "challenge" is really the heart of the cross-cultural dating issue for me. I certainly would not want someone to be with me simply because I provided him with a nice challenge. I would feel incredibly used. Likewise, I would question my own motives if I were to get together with a nice Japanese man--would I just be using him to learn the language? to fit in with the culture? Or would I truly value him as a person?

I feel like I am starting to repeat myself now, though. My apologies.

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MELEE



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2003 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

denise wrote:


This "challenge" is really the heart of the cross-cultural dating issue for me. I certainly would not want someone to be with me simply because I provided him with a nice challenge. I would feel incredibly used. Likewise, I would question my own motives if I were to get together with a nice Japanese man--would I just be using him to learn the language? to fit in with the culture? Or would I truly value him as a person?
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This is definitely an issue. My first international relationship was when I was in my second year at uni. He was an exchange student from Holland. We got on grand for nearly three months, then he broke it off because he wasn't looking for anything serious. Well, I hadn't been either, but I felt like maybe I'd found it without looking. He then immediately started dating another girl and I later found out it ended the same way with her. He was an American studies major and I ended up feeling like I'd been "a study".

Language learning and fitting into a culture are big pluses in cross cultural relationships, but they shouldn't be motives (or if they are both parties should have that motive and be really really clear and up front about it),


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Albulbul



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2003 6:06 pm    Post subject: love or economics Reply with quote

Well is it love or is it the lure of being married to a wealthy foreigner ?
Or is it a bit of both ? You can never be sure. But this is life. And remember "Kising don't last but cooking do." as our transatlantic cousins so rightly put it. Long after you have forgotten about love, sex and whatever, economics will still keep you together. Unless you choose to have a married ife like some of my colleagues and most Hollywood filmstars !
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