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TravellingAround
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| eslstudies wrote: |
| Malsol wrote: |
| There is an American Business Dean at Xiamen University who has been there 16 plus years |
The exception of course proving the rule. |
Utterly irrelevant and pedantic language point but it's a common misconception that the exception actually proves the rule to be correct...whereas in the phrase the word "proves" actually means "to test" but the English usage has changed over time. So the exception wouldn't be "proving" anything really, unless it means as in testing. Many think this phrase means that if they can find something which disproves the rule then the rule must be true which is clearly impossible. Which is a shame as it's a good point and it has evolved to mean that in modern times; or, at least, the exception proving the rule to be generally true. Anyway, moving on from the pedant corner, you can all wake up again now...  
Two year contracts don't seem to be too uncommon (as mentioned) but other than being longer there doesn't seem to be much difference. The increase after a year was only something like 250RMB or so and so hardly worth it. Would it be possible to get tenure - or at least being at the same place for ten years - without being particularly adept at kissing Chinese arse? Probably but I did feel that those teachers I knew who had been at the same place for a long time seemed to be far more pally with the admin than their fellow foreign teachers.
In fact I'd go far as to say they viewed newbies as possible competition to their place in the hierarchy and I've no doubt they discussed their colleagues with the admin. It's their life but morally I considered that type of position to be a little unattractive.[/b] |
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Malsol
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Mpho
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| Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 11:58 am Post subject: Long term university position |
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I am currently in the first year of my university position and will be signing on for a 3-year extension in March (after the holiday ends).
I could probably get a 5-year deal if I wanted. |
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TravellingAround
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| Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 3:20 pm Post subject: Re: Long term university position |
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I am currently in the first year of my university position and will be signing on for a 3-year extension in March (after the holiday ends).
I could probably get a 5-year deal if I wanted. |
Would there really be that much point in signing it though? In other words...what extra would you get for committing to a longer contract than just the regular annual contract? What sweetener would they dangle in front of you to sign? |
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Malsol
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bendan
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| Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 5:44 am Post subject: |
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| Malsol wrote: |
| You can get 12 months pay and air fare equivelent rather than reimbursement for starters. |
But I can get both those just signing one-year contracts. |
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Malsol
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Malsol
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TravellingAround
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| Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 10:53 am Post subject: |
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| Malsol wrote: |
| bendan wrote: |
| Malsol wrote: |
| You can get 12 months pay and air fare equivelent rather than reimbursement for starters. |
But I can get both those just signing one-year contracts. |
Depends on the school. |
OK...well in those schools then what would be the incentive to sign a long-term contract rather than just renewing? By renewing the contract you get the twelve monthly wages anyway.
Regarding the uni doing that (taking the teacher seriously)...wouldn't they also do that if you had been there for a while regardless if you signed a one or two year contract?
It seems that for committing to a place long-term there is very little offered back to compensate. Signing for an extra year and checking out different options seems to be the more prudent course of action. |
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Malsol
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TravellingAround
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| Malsol wrote: |
As for me, I wanted to establish more of a home than a rest stop. I signed for 5 years. |
That's not really my point...rather I was suggesting that places should offer some kind of incentive to sign a longer term deal as opposed to a one-year option. That doesn't seem to be happening. |
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