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		| Jerezgirl 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 4:01 pm    Post subject: Level Testing materials |   |  
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				| What do you currently use to determine a student�s level in order to place them in the correct class?  A home made exam, or one that you have bought? 
 I recently bought one which I HATE!  (I haven�t got the name to hand).
 
 My classes are all with age 18+ students, no more than 6 per class and are Spanish speakers.  If anyone has a recommendation for a good level test it would be much appreciated.
 
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		| John Hall 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 6:19 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| How about the ELASH (English Language Assessment System for Hispanics)? It covers only listening, reading, and structure. However, it rates students on a scale of 40-200, and provides a simple analysis of the student's weaknesses in each particular area. 
 I don't know if it is available in Spain. College Board, the organization, the produces and evaluates this test, is based in Puerto Rico.
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		| Jerezgirl 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 6:49 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| Hi John, and thanks for the reply. 
 I googled the ELASH, but from what I can gather it isn�t quite what I am looking for.  I realise now that I didn�t word my original question very well.
 
 What I am looking for is a nice, simple say 15-30 minute placement test.  Each fortnight I receive groups of new students and I have to sort them in classes appropriate for their level of (British) English.
 
 I was just wondering if everyone makes up their own placement tests or whether there are any decent ones out there on the market already??
 
 Many thanks
 Nicole
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		| dmb 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 7:05 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| I use my own tests but a friend said he likes the level test on onestopenglish. Havent used it myself though. |  | 
	
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		| basiltherat 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 9:28 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| you could try cesc.com and follow the link to their so-called placement test. best
 basil
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		| Jizzo T. Clown 
 
  
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		| Jerezgirl 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 10:39 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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	  | basiltherat wrote: |  
	  | you could try cesc.com and follow the link to their so-called placement test. best
 basil
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 Basil - I tried www.cesc.com but it says that domain name is for sale???
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		| Jerezgirl 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 10:46 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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 Interesting site that I have never come across before.  There are unfortunately quite a few dead links on it and like you say the placement tests are online.  I need to be able to print the test and get my new students to do it the old fashioned way!
 
 I don�t mind paying for a decent placement test if one exists (although free is good too!).
 
 Nicole
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		| Sherri 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 1:46 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| My first preference is to make my own placement test to match the program. You have to look at the levels you have and what makes them different from each other. Set up your learning outcomes and work from there. 
 We use the Michigan Placement Test where I work now. It is not my favourite test, for many reasons but it does work. It takes just over an hour with a listening, grammar, vocab and reading. We supplement with an interview and a writing sample. The link is below if you want to check it out:
 
 http://141.211.177.75/eli/testing/publications/
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		| Jerezgirl 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 11:01 am    Post subject: |   |  
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	  | Sherri wrote: |  
	  | My first preference is to make my own placement test to match the program. You have to look at the levels you have and what makes them different from each other. Set up your learning outcomes and work from there. 
 We use the Michigan Placement Test where I work now. It is not my favourite test, for many reasons but it does work. It takes just over an hour with a listening, grammar, vocab and reading. We supplement with an interview and a writing sample. The link is below if you want to check it out:
 
 http://141.211.177.75/eli/testing/publications/
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 I had a look at the web and it seems to be the sort of thing I am after.  However, the web only allows me to place an order - not take a peek at the exam.  I think it would be a bit risky for me to order an "untested" test in American English.  Even one question with an americanism would ruin the whole thing and give me false results.
 
 I�m beginning to think that devising my own home made placement test is perhaps the answer.  I just find it odd that there don�t seem to be any decent placement tests out there on the market already.
 
 (I divide students into 6 ability levels btw.)
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		| Kent F. Kruhoeffer 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 11:12 am    Post subject: |   |  
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		| Jerezgirl 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 11:54 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| Thanks for all the links. 
 I�ve done some sifting through.  Some of the links are for tests other than placement tests, and some are for American English.
 
 A few of them are online placement tests, which isn�t what I�m looking for...but is there anything stopping me from copying them and handing them out as a paper placement test?  If there is no copyright logo on the page could I do this???
 
 A couple of the online tests didn�t look too bad.  And I could always supplement them with an interview and short written exercise.
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		| basiltherat 
 
 
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		| Jizzo T. Clown 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 4:56 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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	  | Jerezgirl wrote: |  
	  | ...but is there anything stopping me from copying them and handing them out as a paper placement test?  If there is no copyright logo on the page could I do this??? |  
 You seem to forget--we're teachers.  Copyright laws don't apply to us!
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		| John Hall 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 5:07 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| Jizzo, 
 Maybe you haven't had to abide by them, but I, for one, have certainly always had to abide by them (in Japan and Costa Rica).
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