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taikibansei



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 11:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sweetsee wrote:
Whoa! I admit it, that doesn't make sense. Unless you scroll back to the bit where someone said I said something, than it should.


Are you referring to my comment, by chance? Among several other places, you say it here:

Sweetsee wrote:
Been here for ages and have no plans of leaving.

Some good things:
1. It's safe and doesn't have the in-your-faceness of some places.
2. Police are cool, not like in some places where they bust you for weed and smoke it themselves.
3. Pretty killer service overall.


http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/job/viewtopic.php?p=449539&highlight=#449539

I mean, I've heard the Japanese police called lazy, racist, ineffective, petty thugs, etc.--but cool, especially with regards to drugs? And right after that long thread (with documentation) on police torture? Classic Sweetsee....

Still, good to see you're still safely on the outside. Good luck!
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Sweetsee



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 11:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I meant, that in my personal experiences, police here are way cool compared to the ones where I grew up in California. It does not mean that I think police here are leniant in regards to narcotics. It does mean that when you are caught with something there, they will likely be doing it up themselves.
Is that clear to you misterbusybody?
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Gordon



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 12:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sweetsee wrote:
I meant, that in my personal experiences, police here are way cool compared to the ones where I grew up in California. It does not mean that I think police here are leniant in regards to narcotics. It does mean that when you are caught with something there, they will likely be doing it up themselves.
Is that clear to you misterbusybody?


You think that cops here are generally smoking up?
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Sweetsee



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 1:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No. Not generally.
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sethness



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 2:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can understand why many people are saying "well, weed is bad engouh, but coke..!"

The simple fact of the matter is that compared even to alcohol, marijuana is less addictive, affects one's physical coordination less, and has fewer long-term effects.

Further, in many countries marijuana use is tolerated, legal, or barely legal.

Cocaine, on the other hand, is to marijuana or alcohol as a grenade is to a firecracker.

I've met many, many high-functioning intelligent, career-oriented people who smoke marijuana regularly, but met only one person who was recovering from cocaine addiction. That person described a cocaine fix as "the best feeling in the world, a lift for which you'd easily disregard any other concerns, and compared to which life's natural highs simply pale into insignificance".
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As for Nova, I believe that this is not their first problem with drug-using/drug-selling teachers. Not surprising, considering the volume of teachers, the long history of the company, and, to be frank, their low standards.

The previoius case, I've heard, involved teachers selling drugs to students. This might merely be rumor, but was told to me as the justification for Nova's rather strict policy forbidding any social contact between teachers and students, outside the school.

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As for police or jailer brutality, I've personally been incarcerated in Japan, and can say that there is no police nor jailer brutality. On the other hand, sentences are ridiculously harsh, and one's legal rights are both pitifully low and regularly ignored by the police and the prosecutor...but not by the jailers.

For example, one can't (as in America) require that a lawyer and a recording device be present during questioning. Police may simply imagine or embellish freely on anything that you might say, to the point of their records being a loose fiction. The record of their questioning is written by them, and so it has no real value as an impartial accurate record of the proceedings, though the courts will treat it as such. Court-appointed free attorneys are, in fact, worse than useless. They mayb actively disbelieve you, refuse to share information with you, and proceed in directions that are in direct conflict with your best interests. (Mine, for example, caused at least two month-long delays in my court case, simply because she was having a little tug-of-war with the court about who would find and pay for a translator.) Privately hired attorneys, on the other hand, are insanely expensive-- a few court apearances & prep-time may cost as much as 100,000 yen.

It should be noted that I was jailed for the trivial offense of taking down and disposing of an illegally placed, rather dangerously positioned posterboard. (It was loosely tied to a public utility pole, at an intersection.) For this, I was kept in a pre-trial jail for 4 months.

Frankly, Japan's legal system is f**ked.

The jails, however, are surprisingly decent, as are the guards. With only one small exception, I found the circumstances and guards far more decent people than my exposure to Hollywood movie jails led me to expect. For example, in pre-trial jails, one can buy things from a rather long list of items, from food to newspapers to needle-and-thread to books...roughly half the items in a typical convenience store. One can also order books straight from publishers, C.O.D.

Feel free to ask additional questions, if you're interested in hearing more specifics.
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Sweetsee



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 2:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did you get to order out Chinese every other day and get a soda on Sundays?
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furiousmilksheikali



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 2:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sethness wrote:
I can understand why many people are saying "well, weed is bad engouh, but coke..!"

The simple fact of the matter is that compared even to alcohol, marijuana is less addictive, affects one's physical coordination less, and has fewer long-term effects.

Further, in many countries marijuana use is tolerated, legal, or barely legal.



So? The legal system here is unmoved by comparisons between weed and coke. There would be no legal defence that you could make using the physiological effects of drugs as they compare to alcohol. There certainly couldn't be one regarding its legal status in other countries.

Unfortunately this tends to cloud some people's ideas on this to the point where they think:

"It's just weed, no big deal, right?"

Wrong!

"But at least it's not coke!"

Tell that to the judge...
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Alberta605



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 4:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sethness wrote:
Frankly, Japan's legal system is f**ked.


Japanese courts recently experimented with the jury system. It's somewhat different from the 'western' model because the lay-people sit with the qualified judges in a side room and decide on the verdict together. The aim is to achieve what we call the 'standard of the reasonable man'. Cases in which judges are (for example) giving only 15 years to people who kill their children have given rise to this change, and while only recently introduced it has been an issue in the Japanese media since 2004.

The problem is that the nature of Japanese people doesn't really lend itself to the principle described above. In brief they are simply too easily influenced by the media.

You may have heard of the recent media scandal regarding natto. A Sunday evening program explicitly stated that eating natto makes you thinner. The next day, despite the obviously absurd nature of this claim, sales of natto rose to fanatical levels.

Can ordinary Japanese people chosen at random be trusted to exercise their judgement to the standard of the reasonable 'man'?
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callmesim



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 5:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Off the topic of NOVA but regarding prison, I was told by a student, and the other two students present agreed, that in the winter time some people steal from shops so they get put in gaol and receive free accommodation, free heating and free food for the winter.

While the majority of my brain told me this sounded like a prime example of the "people in gaol aren't like us. They like it there. And homeless people like it too" mentality, was this wrong? Is this happening or was the logical part of my brain right on this occasion?
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Sweetsee



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 6:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's probably because there are no fines here. Just leave the key in your cell.
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fluffyhamster



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 7:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe all the puking up of whatever else you'd eaten beforehand is why eating nattou makes you thinner?
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movinaround



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 10:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

callmesim wrote:
Off the topic of NOVA but regarding prison, I was told by a student, and the other two students present agreed, that in the winter time some people steal from shops so they get put in gaol and receive free accommodation, free heating and free food for the winter.

While the majority of my brain told me this sounded like a prime example of the "people in gaol aren't like us. They like it there. And homeless people like it too" mentality, was this wrong? Is this happening or was the logical part of my brain right on this occasion?


We have a guy who does that in my home town. Many homeless people do non-violent crimes to get put in jail during the cold Canadian winter. It's actually more common than many might realize.
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bluefrog



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 1:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sethness wrote:

It should be noted that I was jailed for the trivial offense of taking down and disposing of an illegally placed, rather dangerously positioned posterboard. (It was loosely tied to a public utility pole, at an intersection.) For this, I was kept in a pre-trial jail for 4 months.


Ridiculous!!! That is the very definition of injustice in my book.
Do you think they held you for so long as a tactic to make you "confess"?

sethness wrote:
For example, in pre-trial jails, one can buy things from a rather long list of items, from food to newspapers to needle-and-thread to books...roughly half the items in a typical convenience store. One can also order books straight from publishers, C.O.D.

Could you order English language material? I had a friend who over stayer her visa by a few days on accident. She was detained and we went to visit her. We brought magazines for her to read but the guards said she could only have Japanese language material. She said the boredom was, by far, the worst part of the detention.
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osakajojo



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Feb 6, AM PM had at least 6 copies, Feb 8, only one out. Looks like they are being bought, though I wonder if by the NOVA, Aeon, and other English school teachers that surround the station it is at.
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osakajojo



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote]Privately hired attorneys, on the other hand, are insanely expensive-- a few court apearances & prep-time may cost as much as 100,000 yen. [quote]
100,000 yen is expensive? Did you mean 1,000,000 yen? Because 100,000 yen is not insanely expensive at all in the U.S. Try atleast 5 times that for a decent lawyer.
[quote]A Sunday evening program explicitly stated that eating natto makes you thinner. The next day, despite the obviously absurd nature of this claim, sales of natto rose to fanatical levels. [quote]
And now that show is canceled and the natto makers made too much in response to the high sales that fell after the story was said to be false and they have all this left over natto, kawaiiso.
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