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Steppenwolf
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I missed this one because of my long hiatus from the board, it's hilrious. The way Step and Clark try to make those who complain in some way about china to be villains.
There is another posibility that everyone missed, likely in their obvious fear of being critisized by Clark and Step, who say you should not critisize china or they will critisize you. Hmm, interesting paradox.
Anyhow, the one possibility that everyone missed is that, maybe, just maybe, the reason why there are so few threads extolling the virtues of working here is because, there are very few. Yes, this is quite, quite possible. Living here and playing here are a different matter entirely.
Cheers to all the pin heads who do what they say others should not do, and shame on the folks who don't call them on it nearly enough to shut them up.  |
And no one was missing you while you were in blissful Absentia!
You are a verbose commentator but a non-performing advisor!
All your posts, really every single one, is nothing but innuendo!
You obviously don't know China and haven't read any good book about it; RIVER TOWN is the very opposite of an endorsement of teaching in China at least for people like you!
For those more sober and more clear-headed, that book is a hell of "my feeling, really!" deja vus! It contains observations on Chinese racism, brainwashing, cruelty to people, treachery, sycophantism - you find what you are looking for!
Anyway, we know Nathan, his kind: it's a human plasm that's still growing up, resisting the growing-up process as best he can but getting mercilessly pushed into shape; that's why he is so aloof yet so morose and misanthropic! And, I almost forgot: so conceited of his own qualities and so dismissive of others.
Not a little insecure, is he?
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georginachina
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Steppenwolf
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New postPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 2:30 am Post subject: Reply with quote Report Post
NathanRahl wrote:
I missed this one because of my long hiatus from the board, it's hilrious. The way Step and Clark try to make those who complain in some way about china to be villains.
There is another posibility that everyone missed, likely in their obvious fear of being critisized by Clark and Step, who say you should not critisize china or they will critisize you. Hmm, interesting paradox.
Anyhow, the one possibility that everyone missed is that, maybe, just maybe, the reason why there are so few threads extolling the virtues of working here is because, there are very few. Yes, this is quite, quite possible. Living here and playing here are a different matter entirely.
Cheers to all the pin heads who do what they say others should not do, and shame on the folks who don't call them on it nearly enough to shut them up. Razz
And nbo one was missing you while you were in blissful Absentia!
You are a verbose commentator but a non-performing advisor!
Alol yourposts, really every single one, is nothing but innuendo!
You obviously don't know China and haven't read any good book about it; RIVER TOWN is the very opposite of an endorsement of teaching in China at least for people like you!
For those more sober and more clear-headed, that book is a hell of "my feeling, really!" deja vus! It contains observations on Chinese racism, brainwashing, cruelty to people, treachery, sycophantism - you find what you are looking for!
Anyway, we know Nathan, his kind: it's a human plasm that's still growing up, resisitng the growing-up process as best he can but getting mercilessly pushed into shape; that's why he is so aloof yet so morose and misanthropic! And, I almost forfgot: so conceited of his own qualities and so dismissive of others.
Not a little insecure, is he?
These posts are by people purporting to be "Teachers" It's all a little sad, really. |
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NathanRahl
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Oh, and we all just love people like george who come on and point out what they percieve as foibles in others, but do it in a way to try and elevate themselves in both their own eyes, and the eyes of others. Way to go George, you have just joined the Ranks of Daves Forums, and are no better then anyone else here, and in fact are just like most, congrats ;  |
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jammish
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| Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 3:43 am Post subject: |
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| People generally don't mention the best schools because really decent jobs in TEFL in China are harder to find, so people don't come on making a song and dance about one if they have done so. |
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jammish
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| Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 3:48 am Post subject: |
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Um, that was some decades ago when I graduated with a BA BEd. My first school in China took me with a post grad TESOL as well. I could write curriculum and have never needed a minder to do class control.
I repeat, what have you got to offer? |
Welcome back ColinA, by the way! |
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georginachina
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| they percieve as foibles in others, |
Foibles, my bum! Simply lack of education....and that's "perceive", BTW.
I am a teacher, Nathan, and I'm trying to educate you. Some people like being helped, others think they know everything. Trouble is, it's way too common for the latter to pass of their ignorance as a simple "typo" |
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NathanRahl
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Yawn, what an ass  |
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cj750
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| Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 4:08 am Post subject: |
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| I am a teacher, Nathan, and I'm trying to educate you. |
You can never "ed-u-cate" a "gamer"
Now not trying to dis ya..but what makes you a teacher...are you certified..is it because of your position in a class room..or an assumed role...
I hear this a lot..and I wonder as to what criteria folks make this kind of statement..
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| These posts are by people purporting to be "Teachers" It's all a little sad, really. |
Why is this sad..mistakes on chat boards are common..even among educators...and why are they purporting anymore than anyone else..say you for an example...correcting spellin and making a commentary on teaching abilities..
really if your a teacher ..would'nt you show encouragement to correct these mistakes in communication and not to discourage participation in a board that coveys the methods of teaching and therefore provide a vehicle by which potential instructors could improve..
just wonder what your motivation is? |
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georginachina
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| Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 4:23 am Post subject: |
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| Why is this sad..mistakes on chat boards are common..even among educators...and why are they purporting anymore than anyone else..say you for an example...correcting spellin and making a commentary on teaching abilities.. |
Correct spelling should be the norm amongst teachers, even on chat boards. It shows signs of an education. Sad, because most of the mistakes on this Forum come from the biggest mouths, the most prolific posters, the nay-sayers, and the slag-off merchants. Everyone knows who they are! I only contribute my little snippets now, and them to try to *beep* their pomposity.
[/quote]but what makes you a teacher...are you certified..[/quote]
Of course I am a certified teacher, and have been for years before I came to China. I am proud to be a teacher, someone who knows what she is talking about, can use grammar correctly, can spell correctly, and has a wide general knowledge. I don't brag about myself. I am confident enough not to need that. I also take, with a grain of salt, all the insults that may come my way on the Internet, especially from the many insecure and sensitive souls who inhabit this particular Forum................and we know who they are!! |
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NathanRahl
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| Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 4:51 am Post subject: |
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| Yawn, what an ass |
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Bayden
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[quote="georginachina"]
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I am a teacher, Nathan, |
Hey, that's what Nathan's always saying, though I think he uses the term 'proper teacher' |
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Bayden
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| Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 6:38 am Post subject: |
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[quote="georginachina"]
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I am a teacher, Nathan, |
Hey, that's what Nathan's always saying, though I think he uses the term 'real teacher'
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/job/viewtopic.php?p=449743&highlight=#449743
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Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 12:07 pm
Actually it takes some intelligence to figure it out, beyond that of those who responded. I suppose it is true that the majority of losers in the world end up teaching english overseas, it is sad when a real teacher like myself must be lumped in with fools such as that. |
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Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 1:36 am Post subject: What is good pay?
I negotiated a contract with this group, a group I ain't sure about yet cause of visa issues. Anyhow, I wanted to know about the pay. It is 5,000 rmb month, for 20 teaching hours and no office hours. Now, I was even told that it may be even les, and the last fellow taught 16 teaching hours a week. Is this good pay? I am a good teacher, they loved my first classes, but I also no they pay as high as 6,000, I am feeling like I am not making as much as I should be, so, am I. It is my first time teaching in China, but I've beena teacher in america for 13 years. |
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/job/viewtopic.php?p=447367&highlight=#447367 |
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Steppenwolf
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| Oh, and we all just love people like george |
George no more, Nathy - it's now a converted "ina"! Philip-Raoul has undergone a sex change; the Falun Gong caused him some innuendo in his Suzhou den; with a new identity she is now virtually unrecognisable.
Oh well, maybe she was George in her previous body but where one used to be the other was never far away. |
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georginachina
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| It's "Steppy" and "Nathy", now. A few posts ago, they were at each others throats...now they're bosom buddies! Truly remarkable. As far as Suzhou goes, Roger, I have made it perfectly clear that I am in Jinan. You are a confused little tot, aren't you? |
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clark.w.griswald
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| NathanRahl wrote: |
| The way Step and Clark try to make those who complain in some way about china to be villains. |
| NathanRahl wrote: |
| There is another posibility that everyone missed, likely in their obvious fear of being critisized by Clark and Step, who say you should not critisize china or they will critisize you. Hmm, interesting paradox. |
Interesting that you write this as I find things to be the complete opposite to what you suggest above.
I find that the people who say positive things about their employers or time in China are the ones who tend to get stamped upon and accused as being idealistic or in some way benefiting financially from making positive comments. I very rarely if ever see these people posting insults aimed at people who don't agree with them.
I also find it amusing that those with negative views about China and those who have become bitter about their time here take things one step further by attempting to insult posters who question the authenticity of their claims. To me this sort of behavior reveals a personality trait of those who are negative about China and may even help to explain why they don't enjoy their time here. It certainly seems that some would prefer that no one said anything positive about teaching here as it raises the question as to whether the problems were due to China or due to the teacher.
In my case I have never been overly critical of anyone who has had a legitimately bad experience in China nor those that just feel that they did. Every experience is a valid one in my eyes, but I have no reservations about questioning people who post complaints that seem to me to be possibly less than they are portrayed to be, nor in posting about the opposing experiences that are more positive.
Unlike yourself and your kin I don't feel threatened by the fact that there are opposing views out there. I discuss where I feel there is a discussion to be had and I don't resort to blanket generalizations nor insults of other posters nor races of people.
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| Anyhow, the one possibility that everyone missed is that, maybe, just maybe, the reason why there are so few threads extolling the virtues of working here is because, there are very few. Yes, this is quite, quite possible. Living here and playing here are a different matter entirely. |
Yeah right...and maybe, just maybe, the Earth really is flat!
Common sense is all one needs to determine the likelihood that the suggestion that every foreign teacher who comes to China has a bad experience is true or not.
There are probably thousands of foreign teachers teaching English in China at any one time. The length of time that these foreign teachers are staying in China is growing each year. On this particular forum we probably have less than one thousand active users and probably see around two or three dozen complaints a year (some legitimate, some not). Considering the above, please explain how this fits within your hypothesis that these teachers are all having miserable experiences here?
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| Cheers to all the pin heads who do what they say others should not do, and shame on the folks who don't call them on it nearly enough to shut them up. |
Yeah that's the spirit Nathan...if you don't agree with someone's point of view then reach out for the trusty insults or try to find some way to silence them If you have a legitimate argument on the subject then why not make it in a mature fashion? To not do so leaves us with no choice but to assume that you don't actually have anything legitimate to say on the topic. |
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