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JZer
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http://www.tefl.com/jobs/job.html?jo_id=26191
I see there is a job paying 2000 Euros to start in Germany but that is for a trainer. Furthermore it requires 30 hours plus prep. I don't really consider 2000 Euros for a 40 hour a week job to be that good. |
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JZer
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| Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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| NET 1100,00 per month guaranteed. |
http://www.tefl.com/jobs/job.html?jo_id=26429
I see 1100 Euros a month and you have to pay for your own apartment. Most of the advertisement don't even list a salary range. |
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JZer
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Shaman
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| Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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| To be fair, neither of us have proved a thing. I have not posted anything to backup my claim and you have not posted anything to disprove my claim. |
Fair enough. But to claim it in the first place without any sort of proof is supposition which could well lead to misinformation. No one wants or needs that.
I notice you have done some research. Truth is, very few schools advertise and fewer post a wage. The latter is tantamount to sitting down and having tea with Sasquatch. In good faith, I'll poke around the following places and see what I can dig up a range.
http://www.britishcouncil.org/es/sweden-education-studysweden-tuition-teaching.htm
I've heard other teachers here mention 20 euro per hour but that could merely be hearsay. |
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JZer
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| Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 5:54 am Post subject: |
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| Fair enough. But to claim it in the first place without any sort of proof is supposition which could well lead to misinformation. No one wants or needs that. |
To be fair, I think it is a moot point since in reality the OP was an American without a teaching certification. I doubt a North American without a PhD would have much chance of getting work in Sweden as an ESL teacher. Someone with a PhD in Linguistics or English Literature probably could find a job at the university level. Then that is really not teaching ESL. |
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Shaman
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| Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 4:30 am Post subject: |
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| To be fair, I think it is a moot point since in reality the OP was an American without a teaching certification. I doubt a North American without a PhD would have much chance of getting work in Sweden as an ESL teacher. Someone with a PhD in Linguistics or English Literature probably could find a job at the university level. Then that is really not teaching ESL. |
The OP was never a factor. Your absolute salary figure (regardless of nationality) without having ever lived here, worked here or talked to anyone who had was the issue. You took an authority role you weren't adequately prepared to defend. You went out on a limb with no info. You know, I know it, everyone knows it. It's as simple as that. It's time to move on.
Also, it's your prerogative to have your doubts and beliefs. Let's just say I doubt your doubt.  What "they" say and reality are often two very different animals. I've had a few preconceived notions quashed since I've been here. Damn "them"! |
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JZer
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| Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 4:18 am Post subject: |
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| The OP was never a factor. Your absolute salary figure (regardless of nationality) without having ever lived here, worked here or talked to anyone who had was the issue. You took an authority role you weren't adequately prepared to defend. You went out on a limb with no info. You know, I know it, everyone knows it. It's as simple as that. It's time to move on. |
You are funny. You try to blast me for speaking without any knowledge and then you go on to assume that I have never worked there or know someone who has. What did you base that assumption on? |
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jpvanderwerf2001
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Such a vitriolic thread.
I can't believe how the OP was treated.  Sad.
I think some people could use some anger management!
P.S. Deicide, what's with the N. American bashing? I've lived in many countries and I assure you that ignorance--as well as pomposity--comes in many nationalities. |
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johnnyenglishteacher
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The way Neveah was treated on the first page of this thread is disgusting. Being called an idiot by JZer and treated in such a way by Deicide is completely unacceptable, and Neveah was only repsonding to their comments. Spiral78 - I don't think Neveah was aiming her comments at you. Maybe Neveah would confirm this?
JZer, Deicide and Scot47 - why exactly should users not use this forum as a first port of call for information? Maybe, just maybe, a new teacher values the advice and help that experienced teachers can offer. Did the question do any of you any harm? No, it didn't. Did she make you waste your precious time with your spiteful comments? No, you chose to.
Neveah's question doesn't make her look like an idiot, it just made her look like someone who is new to the EFL game and is trying to find a bit of info. I'd say the ones who do look like idiots are those who try to use their knowledge to belittle people. You can come up with pathetic justifications for your behaviour all you like, but you don't come out of this looking very good. |
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johnnyenglishteacher
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| Scot47 - most of my last post wasn't aimed at you, just the part about posters using the forum as a first port of call for information. The rest is for Deicide and JZer. |
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JZer
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| Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Neveah's question doesn't make her look like an idiot, it just made her look like someone who is new to the EFL game and is trying to find a bit of info. I'd say the ones who do look like idiots are those who try to use their knowledge to belittle people. You can come up with pathetic justifications for your behaviour all you like, but you don't come out of this looking very good. |
Or we can all laugh at johnnyenglishteacher and the OP for taking to heart what was posted!!! If one gets upset at what some unknown poster on Dave's says, how will they ever survive their boss and people in the country they move to? What will happen when they get frustrated because of cultural differences?
While I don't really have an opinion whether Neveah is an idiot, I do think that he or she may have a difficult time dealing with cultural differences when he or she cannot even take a few jabs by some stranger on Dave's!!! |
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Shaman
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| Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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| You are funny. You try to blast me for speaking without any knowledge and then you go on to assume that I have never worked there or know someone who has. What did you base that assumption on? |
I must admit JZer, you're a pretty funny guy too. I am getting more and more amusement out of each post you write. I didn't "try to blast" you. Perhaps I did jump past a rule of etiquette and should have questioned you first. However, I have tried that route and the answers don't seem to be forthcoming, do they? There is a lot of artful dodging and still no admitting that you pulled that figure out of... somewhere. 
Each post you have written indicates a lack of knowledge about the country and how the system works. Your comment about work visas set off another red flag for me. Had you have ever lived here, you would know. If you had lived here, I'd expect you would also have known a few places to look for your info. And a North American needing a PhD to teach ESL here? That's simply silly. Lastly, your arguments are peppered with terms of uncertainty ("doubt", "probably","may"). You are jousting at windmills, JZer. Pick something you know and understand before popping off with misinformation.
Salary in Germany = 1000 euros
Sweden is close to Germany
Therefore, Sweden salary = Germany salary.
What about Denmark, Norway and Finland? They're close too. Are they in the 1000 euros club?
Anyhow, I digress.
Where did you say you worked and what year was it? How long did you stay and how much did you pay for rent? |
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JZer
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| Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 10:16 am Post subject: |
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| And a North American needing a PhD to teach ESL here? |
I didn't say that you would be teaching ESL if you had a PhD.
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| Someone with a PhD in Linguistics or English Literature probably could find a job at the university level. Then that is really not teaching ESL. |
I think you need to learn to read. I said that someone with a PhD would probably not be teaching ESL. They would teach Linguistics or English Literature. |
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JZer
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| Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 10:18 am Post subject: |
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| Where did you say you worked and what year was it? How long did you stay and how much did you pay for rent? |
I did not say I worked there but I do know people that have worked in Sweden. |
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Shaman
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| Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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| JZer wrote: |
| To be fair, I think it is a moot point since in reality the OP was an American without a teaching certification. I doubt a North American without a PhD would have much chance of getting work in Sweden as an ESL teacher. Someone with a PhD in Linguistics or English Literature probably could find a job at the university level. Then that is really not teaching ESL. |
I was referring to THIS comment. There's nothing halfway about it. Maybe you should follow your own advice about learning to read. You're beginning to trip yourself up here (again), JZer!
These people you know who worked in Sweden... are they the ones that gave you that magical 1000 euro figure? 
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