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nickpellatt
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 9:01 am Post subject: |
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Im not suprised to read that application letters for jobs in the EFL field are poorly written. Its the same in every field.
I would even dare to say the quality and aspirations of many applicants in EFL are lower than in other fields! Teaching abroad is very often a stepping stone / gap year / chance to travel option (although not always), and I guess this is reflected in the professionalism of their application, and even in classroom activities.
I know in the UK, statistics show more and more young people gaining higher exam passes and university degrees, but the simple skills that often make someone highly employable are often lacking.
I have been astounded by application letters I have seen - lets face it, a letter and even an interview isnt rocket science! |
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Stephen Jones
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coffeedrinker
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 11:46 am Post subject: |
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have been astounded by application letters I have seen - lets face it, a letter and even an interview isnt rocket science!
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This is very true, and I am always surprised to hear people saying it should be taught in school ... kinda up there with "they should teach you how to balance a check book in school"...umm, it's called fourth grade arithmatic.
I also agree about the difference between posting on a web forum and writing a cover letter.
All this said though, I'm still surprised at some of the silliness in people's cover letters (which I've seen examples of here) or especially vague posts and such. I think being able to post/write something appropriate to the context shows some kind of ability to put yourself in someone else's shoes (the person hiring you, the people who will try to answer your post, etc.) and this is a pretty important skill in any field. |
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dmb

Joined: 12 Feb 2003 Posts: 8397
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 11:57 am Post subject: |
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is that US English for Cheque book at university?
Serious question. |
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movinaround
Joined: 08 Jun 2006 Posts: 202
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 12:01 pm Post subject: |
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dmb wrote: |
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check book in school |
is that US English for Cheque book at university?
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I am pretty sure it is.
On another note, I just got another application with absolutely no capitalization or punctuation. What goes through their' minds when they type these things? And this guy was over 35, so he should know by now! And is it really hard to type "resume" into a search engine and see how a resume is written. |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 12:09 pm Post subject: |
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"To whom it may concern" doesn't bother me- I see it sometimes.
"Dear Sir or Madam," seems a bit formal, but I don't really care.
"Hi there" wouldn't bother if the rest of the letter is okay, but usually procedes a letter that lacks a certain sense of the professional.
"Dear __(Name of institution)___" is also fine with me.
"Dear Director of English" (or DOS, or whatever) works.
Simply "Dear School" isn't too bad, though it sort of implies you don't know who you're writing to.
Most people who have researched our school know my name, so "Dear Justin" or " Dear Mr Trullinger" are perfect as well.
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Justin, my man, you are TOO forgiving.
A cover letter is a business proposal. Do you start all of your business dealings with such casual ease? Are you as forgiving when the teacher you've hired with such a salutation screws up majorly?
Dear Sir/Madam or Dear (name) is preferred. |
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basiltherat
Joined: 04 Oct 2003 Posts: 952
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 1:46 pm Post subject: |
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Personally, I think it's a bit unfair to autmatically trash applications based on solely a person's email address. Would you trash someone's application, then, if his name was John Thomas or perhaps a snail mail application from someone whose street name address was less than flattering. I know you can alter an email address but still .... i think it's still worth considering an applicant no matter what his / her email address is. I don';t think a person's email address necessarily reflects on one's character.
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Justin Trullinger

Joined: 28 Jan 2005 Posts: 3110 Location: Seoul, South Korea and Myanmar for a bit
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 2:16 pm Post subject: |
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I'm a nice guy, Glenski! Just ask anybody who doesn't know me!
Honestly, though- I'm aware that protocols on how to start a business email are vague at best. So I'm flexible on salutations, with the caveat that the rest of the letter should show a commitment to professionalism. The questions isn't so much "do they know how to write a cover letter?" This is a skill that, once employed, they won't have to exercise much in my employ. The question is, "in the best of my judgement, are they showing a commitment to giving their professional best?"
No, I am NOT particularly forgiving when teachers who work for me screw up majorly. But though the sloppy cover letters worry, annoy, and sometimes shock me, I haven't seen the salutation in the letter to be much of an indicator of probable job performance. I'll admit that the best letters get jumped to the top of the list, but if I refused to hire anyone who wrote a lousy letter, I'd be understaffed, and would have missed the chance to work with some great teachers. I talk it over with them, though, and hope that the next time they're job hunting, it will be different.
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is that US English for Cheque book at university?
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Definitely US English. We prefer shorter word endings when possible.
But I think the fourth grade reference makes it pretty clear that we're talking "pre-uni." Fourth grade, in the US system, is when you're 10.
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dmb

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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 2:31 pm Post subject: |
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A cheque book when you are 10 years old ??????? |
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Justin Trullinger

Joined: 28 Jan 2005 Posts: 3110 Location: Seoul, South Korea and Myanmar for a bit
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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Well, I wouldn't give you one at that age, but balancing it is basically fourth grade math.
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danielita

Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 281 Location: SLP
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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From my perspective, a cover letter is an attempt to make the best first impression possible. If your letter is informal, sloppy or riddled with spelling errors, then I can't help but assume that you don't really care about the job you are applying for. It's the only thing you have to judge the applicant by and a letter like that makes me think that they aspire to mediocrity at best.
However on the forum, there are times when everyone misses a word or spells definitely wrong. It happens, but this is an informal discussion forum, not a job application. |
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Jizzo T. Clown

Joined: 28 Apr 2005 Posts: 668 Location: performing in a classroom near you!
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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danielita wrote: |
However on the forum, there are times when everyone misses a word or spells definitely wrong. It happens, but this is an informal discussion forum, not a job application. |
Definately and alot are my two biggest pet peeves. You just can't help but judge someone when you see either of those.
Yes, even on a discussion forum for English teachers! |
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Justin Trullinger

Joined: 28 Jan 2005 Posts: 3110 Location: Seoul, South Korea and Myanmar for a bit
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 10:54 pm Post subject: |
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I definately agree! But then, we have alot in common...
COuldn't resist,
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John Hall

Joined: 16 Mar 2004 Posts: 452 Location: San Jose, Costa Rica
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Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 1:32 am Post subject: |
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And then there are teachers that are really good at teaching pronounciation.  |
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TravellingAround

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Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 1:13 pm Post subject: |
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John Hall wrote: |
And then there are teachers that are really good at teaching pronounciation.  |
My pet peeve is the appearance of "noone". Is this a neologism? Or just that some people don't realise that the word "no" and "one" do not need to be shoved in together. |
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