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[djidji]

is recruiting CELTA certified teachers with or without experience, native and non-native speakers of English.

if interested, PM me please!

[Doctor on a Helicopter]

Can you provide some information? e.g. rates of pay, rent allowance, work permits et cetera.

[djidji]

[FGT]

That's cra.p!

A dog in Izmir couldn't exist on that and I gather Istanbul is more expensive!

11ytl an hour!? You've got to be joking! I earned more than twice that last year (in Izmir) at a language school. First year teachers in Izmir get approx 50% more than that, at the sh.it schools!

[Baba Alex]

I wouldn't have involuntary spasms for 1100 YTL per month. At 60 Minute hours? Everyone knows that a properly trained native speakey just be able to fit in at least 70

[djidji]

well you still got the part-time option ...

and btw the academic hours are 50 min.

@ FGT - "First year teachers in Izmir get approx 50% more than that, at the sh.it schools!' - as a salary or as an hourly rate?

coz i think you're confusing them...

[FGT]

I don't think I'm confused, but I think you might be if you are advocating a new teacher accepting this rate of pay.

You quoted a monthly payment of 1,100ytl for 100 real hours (or 120 ders saati), I chose to calculate an hourly rate from that, and that is what I was referring to.
Do you think it would make a difference if it was a salary??? I think that might possibly be worse, define "salary"!

You also suggest the part-time rate as an alternative. A maximum of 25ytl an hour. Presumably no housing allowance or free shared accommodation? How about SSK contributions? Work and residence visas? Pension? Health insurance? Etc etc. It's not enough.

See my (genuine) recommended salary scale here: http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/job/viewtopic.php?p=508792&highlight=#508792

I live and work in Izmir. you are talking about Istanbul. I think you must be taking the pis*, it just doesn't add up!

[yaramaz]

You can't live on 1100 ytl, housing allowance or no. That's just slave labour. i thought IH was better than that. For shame! It makes ET look good.

I notice that even though they say they will do all the things needed to get you a 'residence/work' permit (which aren't the same thing), teachers are still expected to pay for their own entry visa as a tourist. Very misleading. And they aren't $20-- it varies. For Canadians it's a brutal $60us. Makes the 300 ytl residence visa seem cheap in the long run.

[Sheikh Inal Ovar]

[TeachEnglish]

[Doctor on a Helicopter]

Eh? 9 ytl and 16 y. kurus per lesson... and this is for qualified teachers! How much will non-qualified teachers be paid? Come off it! You can't be serious! Can you really find proper teachers who will teach for this amount of money? Any teacher who accepts these terms must be pretty desperate! Didn't English Fast use to pay a lot more than that before it went bankrupt? Mr Ulgen, have you lost your mind?

.......

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Money, so they say
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But if you ask for a raise its no surprise that theyre
Giving none away.

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You was definitely in the right. that geezer was cruising for a
Bruising!
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Why does anyone do anything?
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It came as a heavy blow, but we sorted the matter out

(by Pink Floyd)

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[djidji]

well, guys what can i say...

first of all, IH is not allowed to employ unqualified teachers
(btw how can you be a teacher without being qualified? surely you'd have at least a funny on-line cert.?! not that we accept that )

and then we can't compare with the private universities and colleges that pay loads in a desperate attempt to keep teachers from running away after the first couple encounters with 'the students'

at the end, the rates may seem low to you, but to the newly qualified CELTA trainee we offer a chance to gain some experience and professional development in a leisure and friendly atmosphere
and moreover, once you get into the system, you have the opportunity to be transferred anywhere in the world to one of the other affiliates before the beginning of the next academic year

there are also some other perks like getting a bonus if more than 50 % of your students continue their education with the school to the next level

[yaramaz]

1100ytl for newly qualified is still insane. EF pays something like 1600+200 for new teachers (post celta) and they also get you a work permit. We aren't just comparing dersanes and unis here. That pay rate sucks even when compared to its own peers.

[Sheikh Inal Ovar]

Waving those numbers around, wouldn't the name

'International Gece-Kondu'

be far more appropriate ...