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dmb



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 7:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

resplendent Kent andmagnificant Stephen does have a ring about it though
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Kent F. Kruhoeffer



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 8:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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dialogger



Joined: 14 Mar 2005
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I worked in HR and wrote a job search book once.
The cover letter should identify the skills and qualifications in the help wanted ad and respond to these using headings preferably.
The recruiter is usually pressed for time so the more you can provide a checklist the better.
Remember the purpose of the letter and CV is to get an interview and to keep out of the discard pile. The purpose of the interview is to get the offer.
It is a system of steps - one leading to the next.
Watch those spelling howlers not picked up by spellcheckers.
'I am looking for a party time job' etc
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movinaround



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 12:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In Korea, only native English speakers from the 7 major English speaking countries can get a visa to teach English, period. I have put this in my ads, but I am always still swamped with people whom all I can do is send them an email saying sorry. I have thought of just ignorning them, but I like to send some sort of notice I have recieved their application.

Unfortunately, the non-native speakers tend to have much more professional applications with much better English too Wink I would love to at least be able to interview them, but there is never a point. They just can't work in Korea as an English teacher, no matter how well they speak English. Sometimes when I am looking over their applications, I realize it's not really fair, as some of them have more credentials than many of us and are probably near fluent in the language...
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spiral78



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 1:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Non-native speaker teachers sometimes are totally well-qualified (as my old work colleague from Austria is - with her near-perfect English skills and MA in TESL/TEFL from U. Edinburgh) and sometimes absolutely not qualified to teach the language.

Case in point, my current Sudanese student, who's made a living teaching English in the Sudan for the past ten years, but really can't write or read at even an intermediate level. Though, he's a very intelligent and articulate man......Or another current student from India, who's got a Phd from his home country, which he earned in English, but also can't be admitted to a university in Canada, or land a job commiserate with his skills/experience/education, mostly because his intonation makes him unintelligible to Canadians....
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movinaround



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 3:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

spiral78 wrote:
.Or another current student from India, who's got a Phd from his home country, which he earned in English, but also can't be admitted to a university in Canada, or land a job commiserate with his skills/experience/education, mostly because his intonation makes him unintelligible to Canadians....


Smile I wouldn't be so sure of that. My first year physics lab prof was Indian and I couldn't understand a thing he said (I'm Canadian). Everyone would just ask the lab assistants (usually PHds in training) after he finished explaining things. He was an awesome guy, but I couldn't understand a thing he ever said. Luckily physics is it's own language sometimes, and was easier to figure out...
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spiral78



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 3:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I must be unintelligible myself...that's what I was saying...the Indian guy is brilliant, well educated, professional and well informed. But we can't understand what he says Surprised
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Justin Trullinger



Joined: 28 Jan 2005
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Location: Seoul, South Korea and Myanmar for a bit

PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Letter of the week.

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Hello Justin,

My name is __________ __________. I'm twenty-three years old and I'm looking for another job teaching English. I don't have a TESOL degree, but I have been teaching English for about 6 months to ____ _________________ (Name of a local business) here in _____; plus, I also have done a little grad work in 'second language acquisition'. I would like to know a little bit more about your institute before I send my resume, and if you could tell me about your needs--that would be great.

Thanks,

_______ (First name)



I'm not laughing at this person's expense- but there are a few things about this one that make it stand out as NOT selling oneself well. I'd like to hear what other people think of it.

Best,
Justin
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not a cover letter; it's an inquiry before the cover letter and resume. I hope you are professional enough to give him/her the information requested.

Other than that, it's far too casual for my taste in some places.
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Gordon



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 10:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see it is pretty rude. They can't be bothered to send their resume because you might not be worth it. Is this cold calling or do you have an advert?

On the other hand, I don't like having to send my transcripts, certificates, copies of degrees (along with a resume and cover letter) all before even a first interview. I see it as a waste of my time and theirs. I may not like the job and they may not like me, but they have had to wade through all this material and i have had to collect it. I think a CV and cover is ample for an employer to decide if you are worth pursuing.
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Sheikh Inal Ovar



Joined: 04 Dec 2005
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 5:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kent F. Kruhoeffer wrote:
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How on earth are you to find out the name of somebody you don't know from Adam?


Exactly my point; it may require a brief phone call to the school.

By doing your homework and getting the correct salutation,
you make a more favourable impression -> strictly imho.

It's a small point, but it may work to your advantage.
In essence, the acceptable vs. the ideal.



Why stop there? Having whittled the number of applicants down to those whose e-mail correctly addressed you ... why not, during the interview stage, give the job to the first person who entered the room with a platitude asking after the health of your dog / cat / goldfish ...
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Justin Trullinger



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 3:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It's not a cover letter; it's an inquiry before the cover letter and resume. I hope you are professional enough to give him/her the information requested.


I respond to all mail. And sent a general letter offering a general description of what we do. (I have a form, obviously.)

But one of the things that got me about it was the fact that it didn't really request any specific information, and left me having to guess. Ages of students? Levels? salary? Benefits? location? What was it that this person wanted to know? And why did it need to precede the sending of a resume? He or she wanted to know if we were a place of interest- why not also show me why I should be interested?

I'm left wondering about a few things.

Why no resume? (It's not much trouble to send, contains no confidential information, and carries no obligation.)

Why not do some research? We're a legally recognised non-profit entity, with a pretty serious web presence. A lot of what this person may want to know is probably available to someone who digs a little.

Why not tell me what you want to know? I don't know how much, or how little, this person knows about us. I don't know how they heard of us. And as a result, I don't know what they might want to know. Maybe they have done some digging, and didn't find what they want- so ask questions! "I'd like a bit more information" doesn't give me much to work with. I have more information about this organisation than ANYBODY would want to read. And I had to choose which bits they might want...

It's not yet a cover letter. (Because it isn't covering anything.) But it doesn't make too positive an impression, does it?

It also seems to make the sender seem unqualified- by emphasizing qualifications one doesn't have, and qualifying one's grad work as "small."

I also find it lacking a key bit of information. When is this person looking for work? I'd be happy to tell this person about our needs. Needs now? Needs next autumn? Needs in 2008?

I've learned that sometimes good things come in shabby packages- so I'm still in communication with this person. But it just doesn't scream "hire me."

Best,
Justin
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 10:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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On the other hand, I don't like having to send my transcripts, certificates, copies of degrees (along with a resume and cover letter) all before even a first interview.
Why would you send all of that information in response to a general ad (one that didn't specify stuff beyond a resume and CL)? Overkill to me, and those transcripts can be expensive if you do this for every ad you respond to!

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But one of the things that got me about it was the fact that it didn't really request any specific information, and left me having to guess.
Well, how much of your school is widely known or accessible? Perhaps, the author is just starting out and has no clue... but there ya go!

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Why no resume? (It's not much trouble to send, contains no confidential information, and carries no obligation.)
What do you consider ]u]confidential[/u]? phone no., address, email are all pretty confidential to me. In the case of overseas ads, even passport or visa information can be on a resume, and that's pretty darned confidential.
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Stephen Jones



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 11:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Why would you send all of that information in response to a general ad (one that didn't specify stuff beyond a resume and CL)? Overkill to me, and those transcripts can be expensive if you do this for every ad you respond to!
Send scanned copies of the lot by email. That way the man knows you have them, and you don't need to bother again.
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wildchild



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Location: Puebla 2009 - 2010

PostPosted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 11:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No job for you.

No job for you because you don't write like us.

No job for you because you don't dress likes us.

No job for you because you don't talk like us.

No job for you.

Try next store, try next door.

They seem more like your people.
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