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Katemarsh



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 4:53 pm    Post subject: Lots of Questions Reply with quote

Hi All,
My husband and I have just decided that we want to teach abroad. I have a Masters degree and would really like to work in a University setting or an International School. He is a web designer and he is thinking that he will get his ESL training prior to going and work on his Masters on line while we are there. We also have a 1 year old son and we are receiving a huge negative reaction from all that we tell about our plan. I guess we would like some general feedback. How do you begin even searching for international school and in general are there such an abundance of jobs in certain cities that if I was hired for in an international school would he most likely find an ESL position in the vicinity? Any advice/suggestions would be greatly appreciated-this is something we are considering pursuing as a career and want to know the best way to begin, our options, etc. Additionally, do many international schools provide the same perks as ESL-accomodation, flights etcThanks!
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 9:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For Japan international schools, you might want to look here for a list of web sites (some in Japanese).
www.tokyowithkids.com
The list is not limited to Tokyo, by the way, and please read what I wrote in your other thread in the General Forum about qualifications.

Think VERY seriously about this, because how you take care of your son is your business, but Japan has very limited daycare facilities, and they don't usually have people who speak English. Not cheap, either.
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Katemarsh



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 12:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is that just Japan or most Asian countries in general/ What is the common practice for child care with such a limited availability?
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GambateBingBangBOOM



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 5:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In many Asian countries, the grandparents of one of the parents (usually the father) lives with the family (or to be more accurate, the woman marries the man and then moves into his parents' house with him). Often, the grandparents look after the kids if they are sick after the mother goes back to work.
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JZer



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 11:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Is that just Japan or most Asian countries in general/ What is the common practice for child care with such a limited availability?



Katemarsh, you might want to consider teaching in Hong Kong if it interest you. One reason is that you would have the opportunity to get a Fillipino or SE asian nanny for a cheap price. I have heard that a lot of ex-pats have a nanny. The Fillipino girls should be able to speak English.

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I have a Masters degree and would really like to work in a University setting or an International School.



Just to note, a Master's degree does not qualify you to teach in a real International School. By a real international school I mean one that is accredited by the United States, Canada, England, etc. You might get hired at some lesser international schools but the schools that pay western wages require real qualifications (B Ed or PGCE).
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 12:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just to answer the question directed at me, Kate, I don't know about any country other than Japan.
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Katemarsh



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 12:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My plan is to be a guidance counselor at an International School-I may be wrong but most of the schools I looked at seem to want an advanced degree with certification and a few years of experience (if I misinformed please let me know) but it was at the University that I was interested in teaching-would I be qualified to teach at a University and if so where do you find those jobs. Thanks for the Hong Kong tip-that will help us focus our search-any ideas if the same would be true for Taiwan?
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canuck



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Location: Japan

PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 12:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Lots of Questions Reply with quote

Katemarsh wrote:
Hi All,
My husband and I have just decided that we want to teach abroad. I have a Masters degree and would really like to work in a University setting or an International School. He is a web designer and he is thinking that he will get his ESL training prior to going and work on his Masters on line while we are there. We also have a 1 year old son and we are receiving a huge negative reaction from all that we tell about our plan. I guess we would like some general feedback. How do you begin even searching for international school and in general are there such an abundance of jobs in certain cities that if I was hired for in an international school would he most likely find an ESL position in the vicinity? Any advice/suggestions would be greatly appreciated-this is something we are considering pursuing as a career and want to know the best way to begin, our options, etc. Additionally, do many international schools provide the same perks as ESL-accomodation, flights etcThanks!


With regards to teaching in Japan, I think your idea is a crazy one...seriously.

A masters won't get it done to teach at an International school. You will need a teaching license from your home country and 2+ years of teaching experience in your home country to be considered. There are lots of wannabe International schools, where the standards are lower, but your qualifications and lack of experience wouldn't stand out to get those jobs either.

Both you and your husband have minimum qualifications. An unrelated masters doesn't help that much.

Furthermore, being in a foreign country is tough enough, especially in the beginning. The fact you have a one year old child would complicate things a lot.
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Katemarsh



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 1:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have spent a great deal of time abroad-working, living and traveling and our son has already come with us on a few overseas trip-your right it can be difficult but in our minds it is worth it in the end. I never had any intentions of TEACHING in an international school-my degree is in Counseling, an area that I have over 5 years of experience in and I am working on my certification currently. I want to work as a guidance counselor. My husband grew up attending international schools and preferred them to the American schools he attended and thought they were very good schools. I was obviously not clear with my original question-what I was asking as far as teaching was if I could get a job in a University teaching-I had a friend who had a business degree and has been teaching at a University-I was simply curious to know if this was a common practice. We dont have plans to leave tomorrow-we are trying to collect information in order to become more qualified and informed.
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canuck



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 1:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Katemarsh wrote:
I have spent a great deal of time abroad-working, living and traveling and our son has already come with us on a few overseas trip-your right it can be difficult but in our minds it is worth it in the end. I never had any intentions of TEACHING in an international school-my degree is in Counseling, an area that I have over 5 years of experience in and I am working on my certification currently. I want to work as a guidance counselor. My husband grew up attending international schools and preferred them to the American schools he attended and thought they were very good schools. I was obviously not clear with my original question-what I was asking as far as teaching was if I could get a job in a University teaching-I had a friend who had a business degree and has been teaching at a University-I was simply curious to know if this was a common practice. We dont have plans to leave tomorrow-we are trying to collect information in order to become more qualified and informed.


You might want to narrow down a couple countries first. You have cast a huge net.
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dmb



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 2:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I never had any intentions of TEACHING in an international school-
You'll have to forgive our ignorance, this is a teaching forum so when you said you wanted to work in a university, we understood teaching.
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Katemarsh



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 3:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Precisely why I apologized and made myself more clear-I was asking very general questions b/c I had many. There is no site that I know of for counselors and yes my initial post would have been misleading-I was simply trying to get some initial information from like-minded people-again apologies.
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JZer



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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trying to get some initial information from like-minded people-again apologies.


I am not trying to be difficult but one of the problems is that most of us are not like minded people. I doubt too many people on here are counselors. If you are interested in teaching EFL, then I am sure someone can help.

Teaching in the NET Scheme might be an option since you should be able to get a live in nanny who can speak English. The one problem you will face if you are going to try to do this long term is educating your son. Your best bet might be to become a teacher or counselor in an international school so that you son can attend for a reduced fee or even free. I don't have personal experience but some posters have said that international schools offer free tuition to the children of current employees.

But so you know. I teach at a university and have no experience with international schools. I have been thinking about going back to the US to get certified.
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Katemarsh



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My assumption was that those people reading that did have experience in schools would probably have had some contact with their school counselor and by like-minded I made the assumption that most people on this site appreciate the value of living overseas, experiencing other cultures etc-not simply occupation-again I stand corrected and will refrain from any non-teacher questions from here on out.
At this point my questions regarding international schools have been answered through research however, a major question that seems to have been lost in all of my faulty assumptions is would I be eligible to work in a university with a Masters degree if it is not in education?
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MamaOaxaca



Joined: 03 Jan 2007
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Location: Mixteca, Oaxaca

PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 5:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Lots of Questions Reply with quote

So people have generally answered about Asia, but in your original post I don't see anything about Asia in particular. Are you interested in Mexico? Has your husband ever thought of about continuing as a web designer via distance? Would he be interested in staying home with your son if you could make enough to support the family? What is your MA in anyways?
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