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tulkas
Joined: 30 Oct 2003 Posts: 6
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2003 4:35 pm Post subject: Seeking general advice on jobs |
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Hi all,
I've been reading this forum off and on for a few months now, and now that I've finally decided that I want to live in Japan for a couple years, I was wondering if someone could help me out with some of my questions.
Here's my situation. I'm a 28 yr old American, and I've long held an interest in Japan. I took a couple years of Japanese in college, but I want to become fluent before I get too old to move around. I also want to pass the level one Japanese Proficiency Exam, as it may help me find other work in the future. Aside from language, I love Japanese food, customs, the festivals, and I want to travel around a little during my time there.
On to the questions, then. First, I am applying to the Jet programme, but I'm not sure exactly how competitive it will be. At this point, I feel like my chances are slim. I'm also going to apply to the big eikaiwa's(Aeon, Nova, ECC, and possibly others), but I don't know how I should schedule the process.
From what I've read, eikaiwa's take about two to four weeks to respond to an application. If they grant an interview, am I allowed to pick and choose from a set amount of dates? I'd also like to know when they extend job offers, if you pass their interview. Do they decide at the interview or wait a few weeks before extending offers? I realize that these details may vary from place to place, but any information would be helpful.
Jet lets you know if you have an interview in January, which is held in February. You have a final answer by April. So given this, can anyone suggest when I should apply to the eikaiwa's if Jet is my first choice? Obviously, if I get rejected from Jet, I could just start right after I get the notification. However, I want to minimize the amount of time spent waiting around. I want to time it so that any offer from an eikaiwa would come shortly after I receive the results from Jet. Any ideas from experienced people would be helpful.
Finally, resumes. I have no professional EFL experience, which is okay for the big eikaiwa's, according to most people. I'm considering getting a cert in January, but I'm not sure how valuable that would be. Certainly, at US$2500, it's not cheap. Anyway, I have a computer programmer's functional resume, and I've been at the same company for six years. Work before that was part time, and not a whole lot. So my dilemma is, if I remove the list of programming skills, the remainder only takes up about 3/4 of a page. I certainly can't say that I have any EFL qualifications, and my work history can't be expanded. Maybe an interests/hobbies section would work?
I changed the objective on my resume from programmer to teacher, and the end result looked pretty ridiculous. Any thoughts? Thanks for any help, and thanks for reading the post. |
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J-Pop
Joined: 07 Oct 2003 Posts: 215 Location: USA
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2003 5:12 pm Post subject: resume |
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tulkas,
If you don't get many responses, I suggest dividing your post & starting a new thread for each main question you ask. There are several questions (it seems) you're asking.
As far as the resume:
1. Is there some way you can do some volunteer English conversation partner-type activity? Foreign students at your college (or one nearby), or at church or local community English classes? This would look good on the resume & show some current interest.
2. You should look at different resume styles. I mean, there are resumes & there are resumes. Specifically, if it looks stange having "teacher" listed as your objective--then, uh . . . how about deleting this category completely?
--Some of the better resumes/CVs I have seen don't have this category of "goal," or "objective." Why not? Simple. When you send your resume include a cover letter. In the cover letter, state your objective. For example, you can explain, "though most of my experience is in ( ) my real interest is in ( ) because . . . . " You fill in the details. A brief, well-written (thoughtful) cover letter can be quite useful.
Too, with a cover letter you can "customize" (vary) your approach from company to company. You can include some bit of information in the cover letter about the company you are applying to show: 1. you have done research in the company AND, 2. to explain why you would be a good "fit" for the company.
Finally, sending along a nice cover letter can (potentially) make you appear a bit more "serious" or responsible (professional) in those situations where you take the time to do it--& no one or only few others do so. |
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cangel
Joined: 12 May 2003 Posts: 74 Location: Jeonju, South Korea
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2003 8:55 pm Post subject: Jobs |
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| I was a JET for three years and I will be returning to Japan in February to work for NOVA. NOVA responds to your initial application very quickly. However, unless you are close to one of their offices (SF, Chicago, Boston), it may take a a few months for them to hold an interview at a different location - I had mine in Seattle. You need to be prompt in scheduling your interview because they fill up quickly and then you'll have to wait. They normally recruit 2-3 months out because if you get an offer it will take some time to process your visa. You can basically choose your departure date so long as it's not too far in the future, say 6 months. You If offered a position you must arrive in Japan on a Thursday. Qualifications have little to do with being offered a position so long as you have at least a BA and are a native speaker. |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2003 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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You have it right about scheduling interviews and getting responses. Some places want an answer right then and there, while others will take their zillion applicants and process the interview data for a day to 3 weeks before getting back to you.
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| Finally, resumes. I have no professional EFL experience, which is okay for the big eikaiwa's, according to most people. I'm considering getting a cert in January, but I'm not sure how valuable that would be. Certainly, at US$2500, it's not cheap. Anyway, I have a computer programmer's functional resume, and I've been at the same company for six years. Work before that was part time, and not a whole lot. So my dilemma is, if I remove the list of programming skills, the remainder only takes up about 3/4 of a page. I certainly can't say that I have any EFL qualifications, and my work history can't be expanded. Maybe an interests/hobbies section would work? |
Is this a question about resumes or TEFL certificates? Since you are a programmer, I have to ask whether you expect to teach for a long time or not? If it's fairly long, then the investment in a certificate will probably be worth it. Also, since you have no EFL teaching experience, ask yourself just how confident you are preparing, presenting, and following up on lesson plans for English grammar and conversation. I usually recommend non-experienced people getting the certificate. I did.
Regarding resumes, I have seen quite a few in the last 5 years, and most of them have been from inexperienced non-English majors. Do a search on this web site to find some of my comments. Bottom line is to pare down your computer experience, even if it means having a short resume. As for your part-time work, without knowing what it was, I can only make a general statement that it probably won't hurt to list it. Most people don't really know how to format a resume for a teaching job in Japan, so if you would like a frank review of it, send it to me. I usually don't recommend it, but sometimes a section on hobbies/interests is necessary to bring the resume to a full page. [email protected] |
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shmooj

Joined: 11 Sep 2003 Posts: 1758 Location: Seoul, ROK
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Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2003 12:35 am Post subject: Re: Seeking general advice on jobs |
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I've finally decided that I want to live in Japan for a couple years...
...I want to become fluent before I get too old to move around. I also want to pass the level one Japanese Proficiency Exam |
You're going to have fun holding down a job teaching English and passing Level one in that period of time. And if you come here in April, which is highly likely, you will only have a year and a half as the test is every December.
Level one is no joke. Try taking Level 3 after six months here and then make plans. If you pass level three at anything less than 90%, forget plans for Level 1 in two years unless you intend going full-time as a student of Japanese.
For those who have this qualification, what use has it been for you? Also, do you get people reading your cv and misinterpreting level 2, say, as being only the second highest exam instead of the third highest?
Does anyone have an alternative Japanese language qualification that is worth something? Lord knows we need one that is a better assessment of skill than the old nihongo doryoku shiken  |
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tulkas
Joined: 30 Oct 2003 Posts: 6
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Thanks for the information so far, everyone. I'll be revising my resume for a little while; hopefully Glenski(thanks a ton, btw ) will point out a few ways to improve it once I pass it along. I think I will go ahead and send out applications in Nov or Dec and try to schedule any interviews for March. I'll see if I can find any local volunteer possibilities as well. Definitely a good idea.
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Glenski:
Is this a question about resumes or TEFL certificates?
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It was mostly a question on resumes, but I appreciate the advice on the cert too. I don't know how long I will be teaching, but I would expect at least two years. After that, if I can get a tech job with my Japanese level, I will probably go with that line of work. I'm not sure how much training the big schools actually give you, so maybe I should probably get the cert for the knowledge and experience, just in case. I don't plan on teaching as a career, but you never know what might happen.
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shmooj:
Level one is no joke. Try taking Level 3 after six months here and then make plans. If you pass level three at anything less than 90%, forget plans for Level 1 in two years unless you intend going full-time as a student of Japanese.
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I know it's not easy. I can already pass level three, though not at 90%. I did say "a couple of years", but it's not a time limit; I'd be pretty happy to stay a lot longer. I guess I should have written "at least a couple years". It can be two years, but it can be six or more years too. I think the only limiting factor would be finding stable work.
Realistically, I want to pass the level two exam in two years to open up more job opportunities, and then pursue level one over time while building on my career. Is it a real test of your knowledge? I suppose any standardized test has its flaws, but the job listings that I've seen seem to use that test to assess your language skill, so I'm willing to conform. |
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PAULH
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 4672 Location: Western Japan
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Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2003 2:51 am Post subject: Re: Seeking general advice on jobs |
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| tulkas wrote: |
I've finally decided that I want to live in Japan for a couple years...
...I want to become fluent before I get too old to move around. I also want to pass the level one Japanese Proficiency Exam |
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For what its worth, I came here with zero Japanese worked for a year at a language school (taught a couple of classes a day and had lots of free time) and then a year at NOVA. I passed Level 2 at the end of my second year in Japan. Assuming you can learn about 20 Kanji a week thats 1000 Kanji a year, enough for level 2. If you are teaching you probably wont have much time for studying and learning more than a dozen kanji a week- that is before you even start studying vocabulary and grammar.
Level one is no joke. Try taking Level 3 after six months here and then make plans. If you pass level three at anything less than 90%, forget plans for Level 1 in two years unless you intend going full-time as a student of Japanese.
I agree 100% with this. 2000 Kanji, some of them with up to 23 strokes in a single character with 2-3 reading for each one is not for the faint hearted I would say you need more like 3-4 years of full time study to Pass level 1
For those who have this qualification, what use has it been for you? Also, do you get people reading your cv and misinterpreting level 2, say, as being only the | | |