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Maximizing ESL Income in Taiwan: How
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KaiFeng



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I understand Sanchong's comments.

However, the thing is, I was most successful when I specialized. If you just work for Hess, KoJen, or whatever, sure, you face static, or snailing revenue increases. This is true now, and it was true during the twenty years when I lived in Taiwan. However, then and now, the bext revenue comes from specialization. If you're interested in maximizing your income, which is the whole point of this thread, you should only regard cram school classes as:

1. Experience-building: you get familiar with presenting the content necessary for your customers.
2. Future customer familiarization: you learn how your future customers, as an aggregate, think.
3. Market development: You start to network and build your own market presence. These is seed-planting for your eventual word of mouth promotion.
4. A minimalist baseline salary: Self-explanatory!

To make serious money you need to specialize. Here are some suggestions that come to the top of my mind:

- teaching kids one-on-one
- business writing and editing
- editing web-page text
- writing/editing/translating business/technical/academic writing
- speechwriting/editing
- editing college/graduate school/business school applications
- training medical professionals to talk, present, write, discuss
- training in general business school skills like presentations, negotiation, job interviewing, etc.

That's not a bad list and took my 90 seconds to churn out. There are lots more! I would add something else, too. If you have specialist knowledge in music, tennis, etc., you should also be looking for chance to leverage your expertise to make more money.

Sanchong's correct that there may be other places where cram school classes pay well. However, if you define yourself and market yourself effectively, Taiwan remains a fabulous market. It's just that you have to, you know, work a little and spend a little time to break $80,000 a year.
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SanChong



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 11:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not sure which of my comments you were responding to! I think you may have been responding to Aristotle's comments....!
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KaiFeng



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 1:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sanchong, I believe you are absolutely correct!
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Miyazaki



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 9:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Maximizing ESL Income in Taiwan: How


After years of Teaching in Asia and other places around the world I have come to the conclusion that the best way to maximize income is to go to Korea until the occupational government collapses or capitulates.
Taiwan is a "has been" as far as Teaching English or nearly any industry outside of computer chips, bicycle parts and slave labor.
In all fairness Taipei is improving but the economy overall is stagnating and the rest of the island is slipping into anarchy.


Aristotle, well put. I agree.

Taiwan just isn't a competitive EFL destination when you consider the more lucrative positions advertised in Japan or Korea.

Besides, Seoul, Tokyo, Osaka, etc. are much interesting alternatives to Taipei.
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SanChong



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 11:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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After years of Teaching in Asia and other places around the world I have come to the conclusion that the best way to maximize income is to go to Korea until the occupational government collapses or capitulates.
Taiwan is a "has been" as far as Teaching English or nearly any industry outside of computer chips, bicycle parts and slave labor.
In all fairness Taipei is improving but the economy overall is stagnating and the rest of the island is slipping into anarchy.


Aristotle, well put. I agree.

Taiwan just isn't a competitive EFL destination when you consider the more lucrative positions advertised in Japan or Korea.

Besides, Seoul, Tokyo, Osaka, etc. are much interesting alternatives to Taipei.


How does it make sense to call an entire country a "has been"? Do the people in Taiwan not deserve an education because the salary isn't as high? If that's true, where does that put MOST other countries in the world who aren't as developed and advanced as Taiwan?

Yes, it's well established that you can make more money in Korea. However, that's not the main reason why people come abroad. If people really wanted to make money, the best option is to stay at home, which is ALWAYS more lucrative in the long run.

Other people have a much different perspective on coming abroad. Money may be part of their reason, but culture, lifestyle and other factors are equally important. That's why Taiwan is such a popular destination for so many people.

Also, let's talk about WHY Korea NEEDS to pay their teachers more money. It's likely partially because so many teachers are unhappy there. It's probably more difficult to find teachers who are willing to teach in Korea and stay there for longer than a year. It's all a supply/demand thing.

There are differences between the two countries, but as usual, Aristotle's over the top comments are strange and don't exactly contribute to the conversation. What kind of a comment is it to say that an entire country is a "has been" outside of a few industries, in which you include slave labor.

I actually feel less intelligent for having responded to your comments. It gives attention where none AT ALL is deserved.
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StayingPower



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 10:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

K_________, I think the general ethos here is to usurp superiority, thereby making the Taiwanese feel that IF YOU ACT SUPERIOR, YOU MUST BE!

I, however, have a hard time pretending to be something I'm not, though your insights and positive comments are somethings I will consider. I often deviate the other way and downplay that I'm an English teacher by calling myself An Assistant Language Instructor. This puts the ball in their court.

Nevertheless, I think it's hard. You DO have to aim high, though I feel it's rather dependent upon "playing the role," whereas in my book I want to "fit the role."
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