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A question from an old newbie - History and ESL

 
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bosnian



Joined: 17 Oct 2003
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 8:15 pm    Post subject: A question from an old newbie - History and ESL Reply with quote

Hi everybody,

I posted a newbie question a few years ago and did not relly get a solid answer; the discussion quickly changed to something else. Well here I am, two-three years later, again with a similar question, but a little more hope of getting some help...


Here is the short hand: I am almost done my BA Honours in History at the University of British Columbia (Canada) and I am currently teaching ESL and writing at a small local learning center (most students are of an East-Indian origin) three times per week. The question that I would like answered the most is: What could I do with my BA and little experience (more precisely, 9 months by the time I`m done with school) in terms of teaching English overseas? Please do not digress into a discussion about how general my question is, keep on reading...

Now to the second, more precise question: What Southeast Asian country is best for people who have never tought overseas and who have qualifications and experience close to my level? How tight is the job market in the same country?

Finally, is there any Arab country where my limited qualifications and experience could get me a job with relative ease?

Now for those who might have been in a similar position as me, I need some advice on the following. I was offered a $14,000 Graduate Scholarship to do my MA in Toronto. If you have a dagree in History, tell me how that prepared you for an ESL-teaching career. Did you consider graduate school bafore going overseas? Would an MA in History help me while looking for a job in the ESL market overseas?

Any advice based on the above questions would be greatly appreciated. I take sarcastic advice very well too, as long as it is at least partially informational...

A guy stuck between a BA, a desire to travel and teach, and do graduate research...
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Glenski



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN

PostPosted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What could I do with my BA and little experience (more precisely, 9 months by the time I`m done with school) in terms of teaching English overseas? Please do not digress into a discussion about how general my question is, keep on reading...

I'd say in Japan, you'd have to start with entry level work. That means JET programme ALT or eikaiwa (conversation school) teacher or (shudder!) dispatch agency ALT.

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Would an MA in History help me while looking for a job in the ESL market overseas?
I can't imagine how. Apples and oranges.
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Gordon



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your MA in history would be almost useless if you want to teach ESL. Choose what you want to do more, teach history or English. Can't kill 2 birds here, unfortunately.

I also have a BA in history (from the other Vancouver uni, up on the hill) and now an MA in applied linguistics. If you aspire to teach English in a university, then think about a masters in TESOL or applied linguistics. The masters needs to be in a related field if you want to maximize its usefulness.
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GambateBingBangBOOM



Joined: 04 Nov 2003
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Location: Japan

PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 5:33 am    Post subject: Re: A question from an old newbie - History and ESL Reply with quote

bosnian wrote:

Here is the short hand: I am almost done my BA Honours in History at the University of British Columbia (Canada) and I am currently teaching ESL and writing at a small local learning center (most students are of an East-Indian origin) three times per week. The question that I would like answered the most is: What could I do with my BA and little experience (more precisely, 9 months by the time I`m done with school) in terms of teaching English overseas? Please do not digress into a discussion about how general my question is, keep on reading...



As others mentioned, you'd be beginning at the bottom- exactly like every other person with a BA and no other training but possibly a bit of experience. You might be able to use the experience in BC to help you get that first job, though.

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Now to the second, more precise question: What Southeast Asian country is best for people who have never tought overseas and who have qualifications and experience close to my level? How tight is the job market in the same country?


Southeast Asian countries have very low pay scales and a corresponding quality of life (in terms of quality of housing and plumbing, not in terms of general happiness with life for the people themselves). Therefore, the demand is often greater than the supply of teachers and so you often find teachers in Thailand etc without real degrees. The flipside is that in Southeast Asia, most employers seem to want you in country to interview because they don't/can't pay to fly their teachers from Canada/overseas or they worry that teachers will realize that the flight may be more than their total first few months pay and just not show up.

If you meant Japan etc, that's not Southeast Asia.

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Finally, is there any Arab country where my limited qualifications and experience could get me a job with relative ease?


If your hoping to to get a job because of your experience teaching 'East-Indians' then it won't be worth much. These are not similar language groups. If you go to the Middle east forum, you will see that many people have a lot of qualifications in teaching English as well as experience before going to that area of the world. They prefer people who are a bit older, as well. But there are jobs posted on this web site and others for that are of the world, so you should just research the particular country and go ahead and apply, if that's where you want to be.

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Now for those who might have been in a similar position as me, I need some advice on the following. I was offered a $14,000 Graduate Scholarship to do my MA in Toronto. If you have a dagree in History, tell me how that prepared you for an ESL-teaching career. Did you consider graduate school bafore going overseas? Would an MA in History help me while looking for a job in the ESL market overseas?


Are you thinking of making teaching EFL (teaching English as a foreign language as opposed to ESL- teaching it in Canada, in this case) your career? As others have mentioned, History graduate degrees and Applied Linguistics/TEFL are apples and oranges. OTOH, if you start teaching overseas and don't really want to do it for the rest of your life, then that $14,000 will start to be something you will feel you missed out on. Going back to university after finishing teaching EFL for a few years is a very common thing to do, and not just for qualifications to teach English. There is something about being overseas and having the 'How are you? I'm fine thank-you. And you?' conversation twenty times a day with no other stimulating conversation that makes people want to go study something that is personally important for them in their home countries. If I were you I would think about how long it will take you to do this MA in History (just two years, right?) and the fact that after dong this you will have an MA for the rest of your life. Whereas the extra two years teaching overseas in some eikaiwa/hogwan because of a lack of training will likely make zero difference in the grand scheme of things over your career. Sorry, this isn't much help. I've taken some history courses, but not a degree in it (I do have a degree in the History of Music- like Art History but even more useless- and English, though). History helps you teach in Canada for immigrants doing the citizenship test. Even a couple of university courses in Canadian History is overkill for this. You can just read their All about Canada textbook and use that to teach from. But if you really love History, then I wouldn't pass up a $14,000 scholarship.
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rossttuedu



Joined: 03 Feb 2006
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Location: Tianjin

PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can only tell you about China but it is very easy to get a job here teaching English. I graduated in December with a degree in Anthropology and History and by late January I was moving into my apartment in Tianjin with a job secured. I plan on teaching for probably a year or two then I am going to get an MA in International Business and International Relations back in the states or maybe in Australia. One thing to keep in mind though is the pay here in China is not so good if you have student loans to pay off. If I had student loans then I certainly would not be here. However, I have been told that you can make some real money teaching in Korea and Japan. But, I would not know personally.
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vashdown2



Joined: 14 Feb 2007
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 1:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you have such a strong interest in History, why not get your MA and teaching credentials, then become a Social Studies/History teacher at the high school level in the International Schools?

That is killing birds: travel, your passion for history, and teaching!
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