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Neongene
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 Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 11:05 pm Post subject: One final Question regarding WHV then I'll shut up. |
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I have one final question regarding Working Holiday Visas. I have search the forums far and wide and it has just made me more confused.
My question - Can I obtain a full-time job (250,000 yen a month) with a WHV + TESOL cert?
from the Embassy of Japan in Canada website
"The working holiday visa is not applicable to persons wishing to enter Japan to engage in full-time employment or to enroll in academic institutions. (The suggested hours of work are about 20 hours per week.)"
Is this just a suggestion, or do they know if I'm working more then 20 hours a week?
thanks for your help, i'm just all paniky at the moment becuase I start my job hunt soon. |
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Yawarakaijin
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In terms of working full time on a WHV, as stated you would technically be in violation of the terms of your visa. If found out you would be in trouble.
Just be aware that there are plenty of people here with valid visas and if you ever come up against one of them in your job hunt you are surely going to lose out.
I won't go as far as saying it's impossible though. I have known people who have taught full time on a WHV. You may want to aim for somewhere far outside Tokyo or Osaka to increase your chances of finding full time work on a WHV.
As far as personal experience goes my first year in Japan was on a working holiday visa and I bartended full time, taught on the side, and didnt have any problems. I was in a very small town however and I doubt anyone was really concerned about how many hours the local bartender was working. |
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canuck
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| Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 2:52 am Post subject: Re: One final Question regarding WHV then I'll shut up. |
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| Neongene wrote: |
I have one final question regarding Working Holiday Visas. I have search the forums far and wide and it has just made me more confused.
My question - Can I obtain a full-time job (250,000 yen a month) with a WHV + TESOL cert?
from the Embassy of Japan in Canada website
"The working holiday visa is not applicable to persons wishing to enter Japan to engage in full-time employment or to enroll in academic institutions. (The suggested hours of work are about 20 hours per week.)"
Is this just a suggestion, or do they know if I'm working more then 20 hours a week?
thanks for your help, i'm just all paniky at the moment becuase I start my job hunt soon. |
The spirit of the working holiday visa is to work and travel. In reality, most people work and travel a little. To get the visa, there are varying stories. The safest bet is not to put down that you have secured a full-time job during the application process. If you are planning on just coming to Japan and looking for a job, the is more in the spirit of the working holiday visa.
Some employers will not employ you for more than 20 hours a week, because it was against the working holiday rules. For example, NOVA used to hire many Canadians, Kiwis and Aussies for the part-time evening teaching positions from 5pm to 9pm, Monday to Friday. NOVA has changed a lot in the past few years and I don't know if this is still the case. Before, many of these part-time evening teachers worked their shift and did lots of overtime, sometimes 10-20 hours as week, depending on availability. This was not in violation of the WHV rules, according to NOVA. (I know a few people that did this for a year and a year and a half, depending on their nationality.)
Many of these same people, got another part-time job during the day, again less than 20 hours a week. With two or three part-time jobs, they were making more than many people with a regular full-time job etc.
In practice, it will depend on the employer. Most employers don't really care what visa you're on, as long as it's a legit visa. You will be able to get a full-time job on a WHV, but you will also pay more in tax, as the tax rate is higher.
Disregard what the Canadian Embassy says on their website. The tough part is playing the game to get the WHV because it's not automatic. When you enter Japan, you will have a visa that let's you work. That is what most employers want.
I know of a few people from Canada, who spend a year in the countryside on a WHV, working at small eikaiwa schools, teaching their 23 hours a week, Tuesday to Saturday jobs that had a great time, earn some money and left after a year. I also know a few people who came to Osaka, put together a few part-time jobs and did their year in Osaka.
In summary, don't worry about it. You'll either have to find a school willing to hire you for the full-time job while you have a WHV or you'll have to string together a few part-time jobs. Don't worry about the 20 hours a week limit. |
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Neongene
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Thanks Canuck for your reply. I'm planning on staying out of big cities, and i'm aiming for wakayama. I guess I will see what I can find.
You've all been a big help.
Another question - How much in taxes will I be paying? what is the normal rate and what is the WHV rate? do you know a website that has this info? |
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canuck
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| Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 5:14 am Post subject: |
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| Neongene wrote: |
| Another question - How much in taxes will I be paying? what is the normal rate and what is the WHV rate? do you know a website that has this info? |
What happened to what you said in your thread title?   
To answer your question, it was found using the search and fairly quickly at that.
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/job/viewtopic.php?t=35998&highlight=tax+whv |
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Glenski
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Q11. What kind of work can I do on a Working Holiday Visa?
A11. As a Working Holiday Maker there are no restrictions on working hours, or types of jobs with the exception of jobs like host/hostess work, stripping, work in massage parlours, and prostitution, which Working Holiday Visa holders are not permitted to engage in.
http://www.jawhm.or.jp/eng/index.html |
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Glenski
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| Another question - How much in taxes will I be paying? what is the normal rate and what is the WHV rate? do you know a website that has this info? |
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Q21. How much tax does a Working Holiday maker have to pay?
A21. A Working Holiday maker who has been in Japan less than 1 year has to pay an income tax of 20% (this is the non-resident tax rate).
http://www.jawhm.or.jp/eng/index.html |
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Neongene
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| Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Another question - How much in taxes will I be paying? what is the normal rate and what is the WHV rate? do you know a website that has this info? |
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Q21. How much tax does a Working Holiday maker have to pay?
A21. A Working Holiday maker who has been in Japan less than 1 year has to pay an income tax of 20% (this is the non-resident tax rate).
http://www.jawhm.or.jp/eng/index.html |
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Thanks Glenski and I would change the title but this next question is about the tax again so its a loop hole! 
I just want to verify that if I make 250,000 yen a month the gov will take 50,000?  |
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Glenski
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| Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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| 20% of 250,000 is 50,000. |
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Neongene
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| Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 11:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Glenski wrote: |
| 20% of 250,000 is 50,000. |
Holy hell.
I was hoping you had made a typo LOL
so suffice it to say I will be making less and paying taxes out the anus.
Kinda sounds like any job in Ontario to me.
Thanks for all your help, I have officially started my job hunt. |
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furiousmilksheikali
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Location: In a coffee shop, splitting a 30,000 yen tab with Sekiguchi.
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| Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 6:21 am Post subject: |
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| Neongene wrote: |
so suffice it to say I will be making less and paying taxes out the anus.
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They usually deduct it from your paycheck... Ontario seem to have a rather unorthodox system from what you say. |
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G Cthulhu
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| Neongene wrote: |
so suffice it to say I will be making less and paying taxes out the anus.
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If you think 20% is high then you'd better not leave the shoebox you live in because that's low in most places around the world.
You can claim the bulk of those taxes back when you leave (if you want the paperwork and your employer doesn't do it for you). |
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Neongene
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| Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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| G Cthulhu wrote: |
| Neongene wrote: |
so suffice it to say I will be making less and paying taxes out the anus.
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If you think 20% is high then you'd better not leave the shoebox you live in because that's low in most places around the world.
You can claim the bulk of those taxes back when you leave (if you want the paperwork and your employer doesn't do it for you). |
Gasp! your right, i remember that you can get most of that money back! All is right with the world! YAY! |
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