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Is English deteriorating?

 
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Aabra



Joined: 03 Feb 2007
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 4:27 pm    Post subject: Is English deteriorating? Reply with quote

I'm sure I'm not the only one who has noticed this. I love the internet. I use it constantly for all kinds of different things. Teaching English however is a true curse in this regard. I don't claim to be perfect. I'm sure I make errors all the time but the blatant errors I see in other forums drive me insane! Sometimes I wish I wasn't a teacher so I wouldn't notice all the errors. This place is really the exception to the rule as the people who post here actually know the difference between your and you're. It's a nice little sanctuary. Very Happy

I don't ask for very much but when I see 6+ misuses of words like its, their, and your in a single post a little part inside of me dies.

What I want to know is if this was always the case and the internet has only recently brought the problem into the limelight, or if people's grasp of the English language has taken a drastic turn for the worse?
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MamaOaxaca



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 7:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Is English deteriorating? Reply with quote

Aabra wrote:
What I want to know is if this was always the case and the internet has only recently brought the problem into the limelight, or if people's grasp of the English language has taken a drastic turn for the worse?


I don't believe that English is deteriorating. I do think it is evolving, but the big thing here is that our culture and the way we communicate is evolving. There have always been people who have had "poor verbal skills" but in the past, these people did not communicate with the world at large. The texts we have from the past are mostly books, products of each generation's "cream of the crop" in terms of written expression. Books also under go an extensive editing process before going to print. All the bad writers were weeded out before you got to see them. In comes the internet and you've got everyone and anyone writing with no edition process, let alone a lengthy one. I don't really have any emperical evidence, but it just seems logical to me.
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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think people are relying too heavily on spell and grammar checkers as more and more of the written word is communicated electronically. I'm a regular reader of BBC online, and have noticed the quantity of errors rising. I imagine in such vast media outlets, the rush to get to 'print' and the volume of content outpaces advances in software-as-editors.

Then again, some poeple must not use a spell chekcer at all when porsting.
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delacosta



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 10:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that English spelling and its non-phonetic system really makes no sense, and the common spelling errors are a reflection as such. The archaic rules and plethora of exceptions to rules only serve to confuse the masses-of course this is no excuse for English teachers to be unaware of them.

Hopefully the language will evolve, or devolve, in such a way that both spelling and grammar are easier for all to master. As it is now it takes way too much time and effort for the average English learner to come any where near close to learning all the rules and being able to use them correctly most of the time.
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eclectic



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

inglish is prolly fallin apart cuz peep just make up shit how they want, but the weird thing is other peep get what they sayin, so it keeps perpechuating into a new language.
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J Sevigny



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Languages are things that evolve and change. No problem with that as far as I can see.

Few used this symbol @ until a decade or so ago. Now there are multiple businesses in Guadalajara that have replaced the A�s in their names with @�s. ie Gu@d@l@j@ra. I guess it makes P@co�s T@co�s look more "with it" and Web friendly or something.

Also, a lot of the rules that were just taught are no longer important. Examples: don't start a sentence with "but;" don�t end a sentence with a preposition.

There is no such thing as perfect English, just standard English, and that's what we try to teach.
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Phil_K



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 11:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
don�t end a sentence with a preposition


Don't you mean "A preposition is not for ending a sentence with"? Very Happy
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Aabra



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 12:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

To quote Canadian Bacon:

Quote:
Go back thee, from whence thou came!
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cucaracha



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 8:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Is English deteriorating? Reply with quote

MamaOaxaca wrote:

I don't believe that English is deteriorating. I do think it is evolving, but the big thing here is that our culture and the way we communicate is evolving. There have always been people who have had "poor verbal skills" but in the past, these people did not communicate with the world at large. The texts we have from the past are mostly books, products of each generation's "cream of the crop" in terms of written expression. Books also under go an extensive editing process before going to print. All the bad writers were weeded out before you got to see them. In comes the internet and you've got everyone and anyone writing with no edition process, let alone a lengthy one. I don't really have any emperical evidence, but it just seems logical to me.


Linguists would say that language is a dynamnic process, which is affected by many factors. I think that the internet has increased the number and degree of these factors. I also agree that it has allowed more people to be heard in the communication process. Some of this may be do to the anonymity of the medium. As all language intermingle I believe we are at the point at which the internet is creating a language of its own - a mingling of differet language (including the idiomic).

What interests me most at this point is how different THOUGHTS are also being exchanged (for better or worse). It should be interesting to see what the future will hold in this regard.
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eclectic



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 10:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WE WERE ONCE MUD, THEN WE STARTED WRIGGLING. This was a few million yeaars before we had a voice box and vocal chords. Since then language has surely transmogrified into several deteriorations. Laughing
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Tarheel 13



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2007 12:46 am    Post subject: ahhh...the point of a pedant... Reply with quote

Actually, I, like you, learned that the English language was to be written in a certain manner. Then, I read F. Scott Fitzgerald as a young man. It was he who said: "If it sounds good, use it." Be well. Tarheel from the Outer Banks.
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vieux canaille



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2007 2:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Recently a Montana boy started his first day at Harvard University. He was walking around lost on campus, and stopped a sharp-dressed individual to ask for directions. "Excuse me, can you please tell me where the library's at?" asks the boy.
"Here at Harvard, we don't end our sentences with prepositions," replies the scholar.
"Oh, okay," says the freshman. "Where's the library at, a--hole?"
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eclectic



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

...and if it does completely fall to pieces, it will still be called english, as it couldnt then be called japanese or swahili or any other language for that matter, but english.
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