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butlerian
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 Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 5:54 am Post subject: Moving from Korea to China - Looking for University Job |
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| Hi, I'm a teacher from England with a Masters degree currently working in a public middle school in Korea. My contract will be up in August and I'd like to move to China to work in a University. I've already visited Beijing, so that would be my favourite location, but I'm sure competition is high there. I'd like to get a salary at a University which is near to 1,000RMB - is this possible? If so, can you recommend any agencies or Universities I could contact for more information? Thanks in advance for any help. |
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mondrian
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Location: "was that beautiful coastal city in the NE of China"
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| Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 6:13 am Post subject: Re: Moving from Korea to China - Looking for University Job |
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| butlerian wrote: |
| Hi, I'm a teacher from England with a Masters degree currently working in a public middle school in Korea. My contract will be up in August and I'd like to move to China to work in a University. I've already visited Beijing, so that would be my favourite location, but I'm sure competition is high there. I'd like to get a salary at a University which is near to 1,000RMB - is this possible? If so, can you recommend any agencies or Universities I could contact for more information? Thanks in advance for any help. |
I think you have your sums wrong!! I have not seen a salary of 1000RMB quoted since the mid 1990's here!
You should expect between 6-10,000RMB a month with a masters plus experience of teaching in Asia. Read these forums and make a plan of what you want: salary; accommodation; benefits etc. and then trawl for the job. The competition strangely enough is not the keenest in the largest cities, but one like my own ("that beautiful coastal city in the NE of China"). I would advise you NOT to use a recruiter. |
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eslstudies
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| I'm guessing the OP left a zero off. Beijing unis are notoriously low payers: its an honor for you to work for them! |
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butlerian
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| Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 8:56 am Post subject: Re: Moving from Korea to China - Looking for University Job |
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| mondrian wrote: |
| butlerian wrote: |
| Hi, I'm a teacher from England with a Masters degree currently working in a public middle school in Korea. My contract will be up in August and I'd like to move to China to work in a University. I've already visited Beijing, so that would be my favourite location, but I'm sure competition is high there. I'd like to get a salary at a University which is near to 1,000RMB - is this possible? If so, can you recommend any agencies or Universities I could contact for more information? Thanks in advance for any help. |
I think you have your sums wrong!! I have not seen a salary of 1000RMB quoted since the mid 1990's here!
You should expect between 6-10,000RMB a month with a masters plus experience of teaching in Asia. Read these forums and make a plan of what you want: salary; accommodation; benefits etc. and then trawl for the job. The competition strangely enough is not the keenest in the largest cities, but one like my own ("that beautiful coastal city in the NE of China"). I would advise you NOT to use a recruiter. |
Ah, yep, make that 10,000RMB! Could you recommend any websites or places that I can use to help find such a good University job? Cheers. |
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eslstudies
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10,000 for a uni job? Very rare. However, go for 7-8 and you'll have plenty of time for extra work.
www.chinatefl.com tends to have uni work, with a few places paying that kind of money.
A tip. Don't use the recruiter option, but contact the schools direct. |
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Shan-Shan
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Seven to eight thousand RMB for teaching 12 hours a week of ESL at a public university? Which schools would make such an offer? Those just simply oblivious to the fact that by offering five thousand RMB their email accounts would overflow with qualified folks looking for some Oriental adventure? Those which are just plain generous? Those which never intend to pay a full salary after the term begins?
Aside from the last type, I can't imagine such places existing in mainland China. Please, someone prove me wrong. |
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butlerian
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| Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 9:37 am Post subject: |
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Seven to eight thousand RMB for teaching 12 hours a week of ESL at a public university? Which schools would make such an offer? Those just simply oblivious to the fact that by offering five thousand RMB their email accounts would overflow with qualified folks looking for some Oriental adventure? Those which are just plain generous? Those which never intend to pay a full salary after the term begins?
Aside from the last type, I can't imagine such places existing in mainland China. Please, someone prove me wrong. |
Yeah, you seem to be right. The limit on that www.chinatefl.com website seems to be 6,000 yuan. |
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eslstudies
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| Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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| butlerian wrote: |
| Shan-Shan wrote: |
Seven to eight thousand RMB for teaching 12 hours a week of ESL at a public university? Which schools would make such an offer? Those just simply oblivious to the fact that by offering five thousand RMB their email accounts would overflow with qualified folks looking for some Oriental adventure? Those which are just plain generous? Those which never intend to pay a full salary after the term begins?
Aside from the last type, I can't imagine such places existing in mainland China. Please, someone prove me wrong. |
Yeah, you seem to be right. The limit on that www.chinatefl.com website seems to be 6,000 yuan. |
Well I'm an idiot. The first three I looked at nominated "above 6000" as their salary. I worked at one of these, and my base was 8000, with an extra 2000 for another 2 hour class each week.
Schools that are willing to pay good money for the right people are being a little bit coy these days.
And I don't recall 12 hours a week as being mentioned by the OP as a condition. 16-20 class hours [ie, 12-15 "real" hours] is not an unreasonable ask for 8K. People who think it is aren't forced to apply.
Anyway, check one out here:
http://www.chinatefl.com/shanghai/teach/shauc.htm#2
BTW, the first 3 I looked at: Shanghai Singapore School, Shanghai Dianji Uni and Guangxi Normal. All of these will pay the money you're after if you're what they're after, and they can be fussy. |
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Anda
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| Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 9:32 pm Post subject: Um |
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| Have a look on www.teachcn.com |
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butlerian
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| Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 5:53 am Post subject: |
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| eslstudies wrote: |
| butlerian wrote: |
| Shan-Shan wrote: |
Seven to eight thousand RMB for teaching 12 hours a week of ESL at a public university? Which schools would make such an offer? Those just simply oblivious to the fact that by offering five thousand RMB their email accounts would overflow with qualified folks looking for some Oriental adventure? Those which are just plain generous? Those which never intend to pay a full salary after the term begins?
Aside from the last type, I can't imagine such places existing in mainland China. Please, someone prove me wrong. |
Yeah, you seem to be right. The limit on that www.chinatefl.com website seems to be 6,000 yuan. |
Well I'm an idiot. The first three I looked at nominated "above 6000" as their salary. I worked at one of these, and my base was 8000, with an extra 2000 for another 2 hour class each week.
Schools that are willing to pay good money for the right people are being a little bit coy these days.
And I don't recall 12 hours a week as being mentioned by the OP as a condition. 16-20 class hours [ie, 12-15 "real" hours] is not an unreasonable ask for 8K. People who think it is aren't forced to apply.
Anyway, check one out here:
http://www.chinatefl.com/shanghai/teach/shauc.htm#2
BTW, the first 3 I looked at: Shanghai Singapore School, Shanghai Dianji Uni and Guangxi Normal. All of these will pay the money you're after if you're what they're after, and they can be fussy. |
Thanks for that, I wasn't trying to insinuate you were wrong, just that I couldn't find good pay in the north-east of China. The only problem I find using that site is the posts are often highly outdated - the one you provided a link to, for example, is looking for people to start Jan 2005, and so the e-mail addresses often don't work anymore. |
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butlerian
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| A government agent has told me that most Universities don't offer more than 4,500 yuan a month. She suggested that she could give me a part-time job on top of the 12 hours at the University (making a total of 22 hours), which would give me an extra 2,000 yuan, but this still seems a bit lower than I was expecting. |
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eslstudies
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Its true the vast majority are in the 4-5 range. The hours are short and extra money is easy to earn. The outdated sites are very much a Chinese thing. That school will still pay 7.5 for the person it wants. I notice the site I recommended, which I hadn't checked for months, has a new format. In addition, no salary over 6 was quoted, just "over 6000" getting a mention, so it seems to be a systemic thing.
There are other well paid options that don't appear on general recruiting sites. The SILC program at Shanghai U is one of these. You have to track them down yourself. The joys of net surfing!
ps Not sure of your maths. An extra 10 hours a week for 2000 a week? Fine. 10 hours a month for 2000 a month? OK. But 10x4 for 2000...................  |
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Steppenwolf
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| The critical mass seems to be 4800 kuai a month: above it you pay tax, up to it you are on tax holiday! Universities don't like to deal with the taxman, hence their salaries do not always exceed that threshold! |
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sheeba
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| The critical mass seems to be 4800 kuai a month: above it you pay tax, up to it you are on tax holiday! Universities don't like to deal with the taxman, hence their salaries do not always exceed that threshold! |
Not true where I am Rodge. My superiors informed me -
salary %tax
Less than 500 5
500 - 2000 10
2000 - 4000 15
4000 - 20000 20
The School here pay for our tax so no deductions are noticable on payday .Most foreigners coming here probably don't even realise they get taxed . |
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