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ldeeep
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 Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 8:27 pm Post subject: ESL in Asia w/a 2 year degree? |
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i'm considering TEFL in Asia. i have a 2 year AA, and i intend on finishing my bachelors after saving up some money for tuition. i could do it here in the US, but i'd rather live overseas for awhile. i know that some countries require a 4 year degree, and some do not. i'd like to be in a situation where i'd be able to save up some money for the rest of my education. i'd also like to pick up a useful language. i've been pondering either china, korea, thailand or indonesia. i already "intermediate" in japanese, so i know enough kanji to have a "head start" in mandarin.
do any of these countries lack the 4-year degree requirement, and if so, can i save a decent amount of money TEFLing there? any other countries i may want to consider?
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mlomker
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| Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 9:41 pm Post subject: Re: ESL in Asia w/a 2 year degree? |
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What are you planning to get a degree in? If I had to do it over again I'd consider being a Mandarin student at a Chinese university...tuition is only $3k/yr in the 'expensive' cities.
The Chinese government has a scholarship program for foreign students that a lot of people have qualified for. Chinese degrees aren't going to be well respected in academic settings but my U.S. degrees from no-name schools won't carry any weight with them, either. I guess it's all a matter of what you intend to do, academically, in the future. |
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ldeeep
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| Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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i'm considering Asian studies or International/Global studies (maybe double major?) at UM up in "the cities" actually i'm down in madison. i'm kind of stuck going to school either in MN or WI due to not wanting to pay out of state tuition, but that's not so bad...
i started doing some digging, and it looks like i miiight have a hard time finding work in china due to my lack of a bachelors. i'm sure i could find a job in vietnam, but i'm not particularly interested in the culture or the language. i could do taiwan if i got TEFL certified.....would it be a good place to learn mandarin however?
i feel a "USE THE SEARCH" troll coming, and i am, but i would rather know what options i have before i start doing some hardcore research...
but i'll check out that chinese scholarship option out, thanks! |
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ldeeep
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i think this is the program that you mentioned:
http://www.csc.edu.cn/en/readarticle/readarticle.asp?articleid=572
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Eligibility
1. Applicants must be non-Chinese nationals in good health.
2. The educational background and age limit:
* Applicants for undergraduate studies must have completed senior high school with good grade and be under the age of 25.
* Applicants for master degree studies must have bachelorĄŻs degree and be under the age of 35.
* Applicants for Doctoral degree studies must have masterĄŻs degree and be under the age of 40.
* Chinese language students must have finished senior high school and be under the age of 30, will pursue the major of Chinese language in China.
* General scholar candidates must have completed at least two years of undergraduate studies and be under the age of45, may pursue all majors besides Chinese language.
* Senior scholar candidates must have master or higher degree or hold academic titles of associate professor or higher, and be under the age of 50.
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i'm 25, so it looks like i'd be eligible for the "general scholar candidates" (whatever that is) or majoring in Chinese in China, which is a definate possibility (oh man, what am i getting myself into?)
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mlomker
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| Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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| ldeeep wrote: |
| i started doing some digging, and it looks like i miiight have a hard time finding work in china due to my lack of a bachelors. |
Most countries officially require a 4-year degree and you'll be competing with other teachers that do have them. You'd have no problem finding work in China, from what I understand. The real question you should be asking is: "Can I get *legal* work anywhere that I go in China and will I be paid as well as someone with a 4-year degree?"
Everything that I've read says that the job market in Vietnam is fairly tight and difficult. I'm not sure where you heard otherwise.
Taiwan is out of the question for you. They won't even accept bachelor's degrees that are earned through distance education...the Taiwanese are real sticklers. It is also a more expensive place to live and you'll mostly hear Taiwanese.
I did some serious research about a year ago and I had it narrowed down to Changchun or Qingdao. You'll find a million opinions about China...it is such a large country. Read up on the China forum here and read some blogs: http://www.chinabloglist.org/
If you prefer the big city then BNU in Beijing was the most attractive to me when I researched the big-city option (I spoke to a few students from there, Chinese and American).
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General studies would involve studying something other than language *in Chinese*. In other words, your Chinese would already have to be very good to even start. My understanding is that the scholarships are pretty much a full ride but they get to choose which school you will attend (what city you end up in).
Plenty of info on this site:
http://www.chinese-forums.com/ |
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ldeeep
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| Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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| mlomker wrote: |
| ldeeep wrote: |
| i started doing some digging, and it looks like i miiight have a hard time finding work in china due to my lack of a bachelors. |
Most countries officially require a 4-year degree and you'll be competing with other teachers that do have them. You'd have no problem finding work in China, from what I understand. The real question you should be asking is: "Can I get *legal* work anywhere that I go in China and will I be paid as well as someone with a 4-year degree?"
Everything that I've read says that the job market in Vietnam is fairly tight and difficult. I'm not sure where you heard otherwise.
Taiwan is out of the question for you. They won't even accept bachelor's degrees that are earned through distance education...the Taiwanese are real sticklers. It is also a more expensive place to live and you'll mostly hear Taiwanese.
I did some serious research about a year ago and I had it narrowed down to Changchun or Qingdao. You'll find a million opinions about China...it is such a large country. Read up on the China forum here and read some blogs: http://www.chinabloglist.org/
If you prefer the big city then BNU in Beijing was the most attractive to me when I researched the big-city option (I spoke to a few students from there, Chinese and American).
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General studies would involve studying something other than language *in Chinese*. In other words, your Chinese would already have to be very good to even start. My understanding is that the scholarships are pretty much a full ride but they get to choose which school you will attend (what city you end up in).
Plenty of info on this site:
http://www.chinese-forums.com/ |
excellent post, very helpful, thanks!
i pulled my info re: vietnam and taiwan from:
http://www.englishabroad.ca/index_css.html
it seems to be up-to-date? anyway, it seems like the US government and the Chinese government are both pushing for Americans to learn Chinese, so if i can get substantial help from whomever, i'll take it. it seems likely that i could teach part-time on a student visa in china....i'll have to look into that. i guess i have much more of a desire to get a BA than to teach ESL, so if the TESL work doesn't happen, that's fine w/me. |
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mlomker
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| Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 11:31 pm Post subject: |
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| ldeeep wrote: |
| i guess i have much more of a desire to get a BA than to teach ESL, so if the TESL work doesn't happen, that's fine w/me. |
I think a Chinese BA and an American MBA would be a very nice situation to be in 5 years from now. I'm sure you noticed the stock market hit that we took this week due to the Shanghai market. China and the US are tightly linked economically and I don't see that changing in our lifetime (I'm 10 years older than you).
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Perhaps. I think you'll learn more in the forums here and in people's blogs. I trust individuals that are already there a lot more than a generic website.
I'm like you--I don't know if I'll teach or not but I am in love with the idea of living overseas. |
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