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canb · Joined: 08 Feb 2007 Posts: 8 Location: USA

I have recently been offered and contract and though many elements mirror SAFEA, it is not a SAFEA contract. This particular statement has me a little worried. Can anyone offer an explanation?

As Party B�s sponsor, Party A will retain Party B�s foreign experts� certificate for use in public security checks.

canb · Joined: 08 Feb 2007 Posts: 8 Location: USA

"a" contract....not "and" contract...sry

upchuckles · Joined: 11 Jan 2007 Posts: 111

Your first teaching assignment is to instruct them how to read the Chinese in the book.. It specifically states that the book should be in the possession of the teacher..

If that doesnt work, whip out an uzi and spray the admin with lead stupidity tax!

Rhatta rhatta tat! Tatta atatatattatatatttat tatttta ! tatatatatatatata!!!!!!!!

JamesD · Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 4:38 am Post subject: Q

Meaning they hold on to your FEC? I think not.
Yes, just like a passport it does actually belong to them, BUT you are required to have it handy (if not on your person) at all times as identification and proof of legality.
This is a definite deal breaker. You have to hold this. Not having it means you cannot utilize certain modes of travel in China (soft sleeper) and you cannot check into a hotel. Chinese law says you hold it, educate the admin before you educate the students.

Edit: If you get stopped by or have to deal with any official and you do not have this you could be detained until it's produced. Not common but can happen and would be more than a major pain if it happened while you're out of town, on a holiday, or any weekend when it's hard to get hold of your boss.

cj750 · Joined: 27 Apr 2004 Posts: 3081 Location: Beijing

It is not that unusual for a org to keep the FEC..many of the international school also hold them...and I do not beleave there is a requirement to carry one at all times..

Steppenwolf · Joined: 30 Jul 2006 Posts: 1769

It seems THEY need it far more than you do; I never had to show mine except one time when applying for a bank account with the option of buyinf foreign currency.

For travelling purposes you need your passport or a residence permit - which nowadays takes care of your visa INSIDE your passport, no longer in a separate document.

Your employer will have to make sure that the FEC is returned upon completion of your term.

kev7161 · Joined: 06 Feb 2004 Posts: 5880 Location: Suzhou, China

clark.w.griswald · Joined: 06 Dec 2004 Posts: 2056

Plan B · Joined: 11 Jan 2005 Posts: 266 Location: Shenzhen

abusalam4 · Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 143

Are you talking about the residence permit (the small green booklet issued by the local Gong-An) when yiu have a Z visa in your passport? Or do you speak about the red booklet looking a bit like a British passport which is an ID as Foreign Expert and is issued by the provincial Bureau of Foreign Experts? In case of the latter, I never needed itr when travelling in China; I had always my residence permit with me. That was OK and I could always use soft sleeper and check into any hotel. Mostly, they even never asked for that.

IMHO, you should report that to the Bureau of Foreign Experts in your province if your school keeps that Expert document. It is you who is supposed to have it and not them.

Itsme · Joined: 11 Aug 2004 Posts: 624 Location: Houston, TX

I'll play the cynic once again.

I will assume that the school having the expert certificate will in some way bind you to them. In other words, a certain percentage of your dominance will go away.

A graphical illustration.

(You are their @##ch ------------------------------------- You are principal now)

With all your paper work X
With out X

On the other hand, it could be legit.

tw · Joined: 04 Jun 2005 Posts: 3898

cj750 · Joined: 27 Apr 2004 Posts: 3081 Location: Beijing

As the FEC belongs to the work unit..it has to be retruned to them anyway..although I still have all my old ones as only one work unit asked for it back..
what does any one use them for now anyway..they use to be somewhat good for a dicount in the old dual pricing daze...
exchanging money..if that was set up with the local bank and unit..the FEC itself does not allow the exchange of funds unles additonal paperwork has been done...

I have left mine with work units for the last few years and never needed it in any way..and unless you form a complant as to working conditions though the labor board/or officially exchange cash..then it may never be needed..

At the end of your contract ..you need to give it back to the issuing company (if they even ask for it) so what is the advantage of you holding it..
and if PSB come to your school ..they will ask the school to produ ce them...then maybe to match up with staff members..

clark.w.griswald · Joined: 06 Dec 2004 Posts: 2056

cj750 · Joined: 27 Apr 2004 Posts: 3081 Location: Beijing

I called the labor board and there is no requirement to show a FEC to file a claim...

and although as Clark sez ..there may be an advantage.. I do not know of one...it seems that as it belongs to the school..they may have the right to hold it...the local PSB informed there is no requirement for the school to provide you with the FEC...and as of yet..I havent used mine..finding that excahnging money was far easier (other methods) than using the FEC to do so...