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brsmith15



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 8:41 pm    Post subject: retire in China Reply with quote

Is it possible to retire here? Everything I read says "no."

If I could do it, what would I have to do?
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tofuman



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 10:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In these parts, people over 65 can not get an FE certificate. One teacher that I know of had to leave because he was simply "too old."

If you are married to a local, that helps, acording to the local PSB.

Retiring here is attractive. Most people could do well on meager U.S. social security.

On the other hand, health care issues are something to be seriously considered. Perhaps the biggest deterrent.
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brsmith15



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 2:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm over 65, as are a number of colleagues, and have an FE showing my actual birth date, so there goes that myth. My uni holds me in fairly decent regard, so I suppose that helps. There was a guy, 66, who wasn't working out well and so they didn't renew his contract.

I'm going have to think seriously about retirement in the next 3-4 years. Sometimes I gawk and the blackboard forgetting what I'm doing. I haven't p***ed my pants in class yet, but that may be right around the corner.

I'm wondering if it's possible to find some business to sponsor you for an F visa, not being able to keep my Z active.

Any suggestions??
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tofuman



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 3:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"In these parts" over 65 is not a myth. An FAO, in response to my question about a previous teacher said that she was plainly told that he was too old and could not get proper credentials from Chinese authorities for that reason. He had been there for a few years and was compelled by local authorities to leave.

Shortly after that, about 2 months ago, I was told by a school worker in the FAO office that she had specifically been told by the local authorities that FT's over 65 would not be given credentials by issuing offices.

Perhaps some conspiracy aimed directly at me, in which individuals who do not know each other tell me the same lie? Doubtful.

May be different in other parts of the country or for different people, but here, as far as I'm concerned, those are the "rules."

Not a myth.

Being married to a Chinese woman changes things here, but as far as the foreign affairs director of the local PSB is concerned, marriage to a Chinese woman is the only way besides legal employment for most people to stay here.
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7969



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 4:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

you can get year long F visas in HK for about HK$1200 or so. no need to be sponsored.

think about that option. given your age, how many times are you going to have to get a new visa anYway?
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andrew_gz



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 5:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was under the impression that only 6 month F visas are available.
Has that changed?
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Steppenwolf



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 5:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

andrew_gz wrote:
I was under the impression that only 6 month F visas are available.
Has that changed?


Your impression covered only part of reality; some of us have known for years that you can get a one-year tourist or business visa in Hong Kong.

For a retiree in China, the disadvantage obviously is that there is hardly any option for long-term residency here apart from the usual visas. You can always try the green card thing but it is granted in a very discretionary manner and the rules are as opaque as ink!

It would be easier in a place close to the border of a former colony - near Macau or Hong Kong, for example; in case of urgent medical intervention you will need rapid evacuation. You will not want to depend on local medical services...
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andrew_gz



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 8:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes Roger, I know and many have been taking advatage of that.
Fact is, that was stopped last year to only 6 month visas.
My question remains are 1 year F visas on offer again?
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Millerlong



Joined: 21 May 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can get a one year visa but you have to limit your stay to 30 days each time. Now only 6 month visas are available that allow you to stay for the full 6 months. Got my visa when I went through Hong Kong and did quite a bit of research before accepting the 6 month visa.
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Steppenwolf



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 5:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Millerlong wrote:
You can get a one year visa but you have to limit your stay to 30 days each time. Now only 6 month visas are available that allow you to stay for the full 6 months. Got my visa when I went through Hong Kong and did quite a bit of research before accepting the 6 month visa.

The 30 day multiple-entry visa - valid for one year but requiring you to exit no later than every 30 days - does exist and is available from a number of Chinese embassies around the world; I don't know whether you get that in HK.
BUt if you apply through a travel agent you will probably get a multiple-entry visa without such a condition attached to the visa.
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andrew_gz



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 6:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Roger wrote, "BUt if you apply through a travel agent you will probably get a multiple-entry visa without such a condition attached to the visa"

"Probably" is really not helpful.

Yes, one year multiple entry F visas were routinely issued.
Until last year, when only 6 month were available.
Has this changed?
Are one year visas available again?

To the OP sorry for the sidetrack.
Hope you find the info you need.
I'm curious as well.
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Millerlong



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 8:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Once again I will say "No, only six months are available now even through a travel agent".
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Sinobear



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 11:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brsmith 15: If you are seriously considering retiring in China, then why not consider Chinese citizenship? It would alleviate the visa issue, at any rate.

AFAIK: All you need for citizenship is to answer the following questions:

Do you like China?
Do you like Chinese food?
Can you use chopsticks?
Can you use the words 'lovely', 'famous' and 'delicious' twelve times in the same sentence?


Cheers!
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AussieGuyInChina



Joined: 23 Nov 2006
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 1:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
"In these parts" over 65 is not a myth.


Where are 'these parts'?

The FAO at Western Chonqing University would respond to any email enquiry that, 2 years ago, American teacher, Don, returned to the States after 2 years of legal service, as evidenced by both F.R.P. and F.E.C., at which time he was aged 72.
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latefordinner



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 1:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sinobear, only if I talk about my wife



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(and her jiaozi)
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