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007
Joined: 30 Oct 2006
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Location: UK/Veteran of the Magic Kingdom
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..And 007...
Give it up, your own words hang you whenever you post. No outside judge would waste his or her time. |
VS, your own words displays you and make me understand your reality each time you post.
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You obviously have a very strange definition of 'democracy.'
VS |
Of course, any 'democracy' which is not with accordance with uncle Sam's 'democracy' is a strange democracy.
VS, you have to think outside the box not inside!
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| ..Not to mention that what is acceptable in a pub is not what is acceptable in a professional situation. I would expect comments like that in a bar, but if I got it from a supervisor or fellow teacher, I would consider him to have shown himself to be a sexist boor. |
Really?
So, you accept the comment of s**ist in a bar and you do not accept it from a fellow teacher. So, what if the fellow teacher was in the same bar as you, then I guess you will accept the comment from him?? And in this case you would consider him not to have shown himself to be a sexist boor! What a logic? This is what I call the 'double standard' thinking!
So what�s the difference in this case? Is it because in the bar the code of behaviour is different from that in the work place? SO, in this case we have to redefine the term 'acceptable'!!!
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| ..You don't respect women and so some male and female posters do not respect you. |
May be you are the spokesman for the 'Baronesses' Cleo and VS?
But, are you the spkesman for the other posters? I do not think so?
Bje, You don�t respect yourself and so I do not respect you!
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| You could resist the impulse to make silly comments and examine the urge to put women down. |
� So, you are trying to put the women up!
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| If not, continue right on as you have been, but know that you construct a very foolish image of yourself. |
Bje, know that you are constructing a very selfish and s**ist image of yourself. |
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bje
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| Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 2:32 pm Post subject: |
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Now Bje, who passes 'herself' off as a 'bloke', has a 'girlfriend' and is Almighty waspish about any perceived slur on the Female posters, is none other than Cleo herself. Oh where is your manhood, Bje .. i mean, Cleo
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I'm also a believer in conspiracy theories. I think you and Abba are one and the same! |
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ALPH
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| Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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| oh please, Cleo .. not Abba ! anyone but Abba. C'mon man, dont sick the truth |
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bje
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| Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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| oh please, Cleo .. not Abba ! anyone but Abba. C'mon man, dont sick the truth |
Sorry mate, call me a fool, call 007/Abba a fool, but this is what I've concluded.
It looks to me like Cleo can stand up for herself quite well without me. I REALLY AM living in the UAE, and I REALLY AM a guy! I worked in Kuwait before I came here. I believe you interviewed with an institute I used to work for there... |
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Cleopatra
Joined: 28 Jun 2003
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Location: Tuamago Archipelago
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| Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Why is this acceptable language? Why couldn't you have just written Australian nurses? Why the derrogatory remarks? |
Why not? Hatched faced is as hatched faced does. Of course, I was not suggesting that all or even most Aussie nurses are hatchet faced. But I've seen more than a few hatchet types around in my days here in the K of SA.
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| Anytime ( read: Everytime ), Cleo manages to talk herself into a corner, Bje mysteriously shows us to defend her blunders |
When you've managed to wipe away the tears we all know you shed every day over the plight of Saudi women, and the callousness of their female teachers, could you tell us which 'blunders' you are referring to?
BTW, DMB, of course referring to a woman as 'honey' is s***ist in this context. It may be quite OK in a Yorkshire pub, but among colleagues, as VS has said, of course it is transparently an attempt to patronise and demean the female party.[/i] |
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dmb
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| Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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| BTW, DMB, of course referring to a woman as 'honey' is s***ist in this context. It may be quite OK in a Yorkshire pub |
Cleo.. my darling... my pretty one.... I don't believe I mentioned pubs in Yorkshire......sorry if I appear s***ist. Should I ever bump into you in a pub in Yorkshire though the beer is on me..... I don't mean that in a literal sense.
(However, should we meet in Scotland then I'll have a Guiness)  |
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Van Norden
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| Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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Whether it's sexist or not ultimately boils down to the intention and will of the speaker, and the degree of familiarity between the people involved. I don't think you can just say office + "darling" = sexist, or pub + "honey pie" = OK. It's more complicated and diverse than that.
On the other hand, even if no offence or derision is intended, it's still unfortunate if someone feels hurt or aggrieved.
For my part, I knew there was a risk of this, but I went ahead with it anyway. No offence was intended. I hope we're all adult enough to see it for what it was - ie, something quite trivial and innocuous. |
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007
Joined: 30 Oct 2006
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Location: UK/Veteran of the Magic Kingdom
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| Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 4:36 pm Post subject: |
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| ...I'm also a believer in conspiracy theories. I think you and Abba are one and the same! |
Come on Bje, it seems you are confused and confusing the others with you.
Abba is dead a long time ago, and his English is not as good as Alph!
You are right, may be you are a fool, but not KIng Cobra/007.
I wonder if Queen of Sheba is still around? I want to hear from her, and know what is her view on this subject. |
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veiledsentiments
Joined: 20 Feb 2003
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Location: USA
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| Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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I had a nice long response to 007/abba's latest silliness, but I would rather respond to Van Norden who has given a more thoughtful response to the issue. It is intention, familiarity... and I'd add situation... and there the last and most difficult part... the interpretation of the listener. (reader?) Because their interpretation is equally important as to what it boils down to.
I also noted overseas that those from the UK are more likely to use these forms with a stranger... and one is as likely to be called this by another woman. My first time to pass though customs in London, I was struck by being called a diminutive like this by a woman agent. I can't recall now if it was sweetie or honey, but it was very odd to me. In the US, I could only imagine this situation from an older waitress in the rural deep south. And it would sound odd even then as it is not the norm in this country.
What we have here is a case for study in a sociolinguistics or pragmatics. All language is loaded with meanings that we may not intend... especially when it is written and we miss all the other clues.
And we mustn't ignore the effect of the avatar!! What is the effect of VN's avatar on the interpretation of his posts versus dmb's?  |
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The_Prodiigy
Joined: 01 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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And we mustn't ignore the effect of the avatar!! What is the effect of VN's avatar on the interpretation of his posts versus dmb's? |
Eh ??
Slightly less than the number of days VS spent in KSA. |
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