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dove



Joined: 01 Oct 2003
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Location: USA/Japan

PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 10:50 am    Post subject: being stopped by the police Reply with quote

Two times in the past month I have ben stopped by the police and asked to show my gaijin card. Previous to this, I was only ever stopped once, over 10 years ago. Has anyone else noticed an increase in this? Maybe I was just unlucky, in the wrong place at the wrong time. But I don't see how walking down the street in Ebisu on a bright Monday afternoon is the wrong place or the wrong time. Maybe it's training season for new police recruits because today I was stopped by an older police officer and a young officer. Both were on bicycles and both first rode past me and I heard the older officer tell the younger officer to stop and question me.
I checked the website written by Debito Arbuto(sp?) and it said the police are not supposed to ask for IDs unless there is cause....I wish I had had the Japanese print-out with me.....and somebody in a previous thread said that the Japanese are the most evolved in the world. Yeah, right.
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Glenski



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN

PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 11:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't know if that area targets foreigners.
You weren't riding a bike, so the age-old scam of stopping you because they thought it was possible you stole it doesn't count.

I'd get the next cop to sign a note (ANY note) to say he has stopped you, then show it to the NEXT one. Or just stop into the nearest koban and look for these 2 guys, and politely ask for their names. Naw, just the first suggestion...

Oh, and copy Debito's note to carry with you.

By the way, did you ask them WHY they wanted to see your gaijin card? The answer might be interesting.
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Quibby84



Joined: 10 Aug 2006
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Location: Japan

PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 11:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was stopped by the police too (maybe it was my bicycle)....I just got here but I have noticed that there are police everywhere...
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Apsara



Joined: 20 Sep 2005
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Location: Tokyo, Japan

PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 11:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have not once been stopped by police here in 9 years, and I walk past the door of 2 kobans almost every day. Perhaps I look very law-abiding, or maybe it's because there are so many foreigners living and working in that area that they can't be bothered. Ebisu has plenty of foreigners though, so I go for the "new-recruit training" explanation for the OP's situation.
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canuck



Joined: 11 May 2003
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Location: Japan

PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 2:50 pm    Post subject: Re: being stopped by the police Reply with quote

dove wrote:
I wish I had had the Japanese print-out with me.


Here's the link to anyone that is interested.

http://www.debito.org/instantcheckpointsbrief.html
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Sweetsee



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 12:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, there is something going down. While stuck in traffic the other day I saw a cop stop a lone Japanese cyclist on a deserted stretch of side-walk in the middle of the day. It was unusual because the cop was on his own as well, at least it looked like it, until his two buddies pedaled up.

My advise is to avoid eye contact, don't respond to verbal commands and if they want to stop you make them do it physically. They are like dogs, ignore them and they will leave you alone. Of course, if they manage to corral you, never speak Japanese.


Enjoy,
s
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markle



Joined: 17 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 2:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sweetsee wrote:
My advise is to avoid eye contact, don't respond to verbal commands and if they want to stop you make them do it physically.


And you won't look at all suspicious will you?



Eejit.
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Sweetsee



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 2:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe you are right. Just pretend you are running into another foreigner.
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ripslyme



Joined: 29 Jan 2005
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When you make eye contact with the Japanese police, do a 180 and run away as fast as you can.
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User N. Ame



Joined: 11 Dec 2006
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Location: Kanto

PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 11:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ripslyme wrote:
When you make eye contact with the Japanese police, do a 180 and run away as fast as you can.


No no. Never make eye contact then run. Cops are like bears or wildcats. If you run, it will trigger their chase instinct. Instead, turn around very slowly and face them without making eye contact, wave your arms high to make yourself look bigger, and back up slowly, speaking in a low tone: "hello, how are you, hello, how are you, this is a pen...." Most of the time, they will just leave you alone.
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jademonkey



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 9:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've never had a negative experience with the police. Seriously, unless you're actually breaking the law or look dodgy, or you're unlucky (which, face it, happens in every country) you should never have any problems with the cops.

They did lend me 2000 yen once, which increased my respect for them.
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Yawarakaijin



Joined: 20 Jan 2006
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Location: Middle of Nagano

PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 10:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

User N. Ame wrote:
ripslyme wrote:
When you make eye contact with the Japanese police, do a 180 and run away as fast as you can.


No no. Never make eye contact then run. Cops are like bears or wildcats. If you run, it will trigger their chase instinct. Instead, turn around very slowly and face them without making eye contact, wave your arms high to make yourself look bigger, and back up slowly, speaking in a low tone: "hello, how are you, hello, how are you, this is a pen...." Most of the time, they will just leave you alone.


Damn you! You owe me a new keyboard, or at the very least a half bottle of coke Very Happy
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AndyH



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have yet to be stopped by the police, but have initiated many conversations with them. I've stopped at Kobans quite a few times to ask for information, and they're usually quite friendly, especially when I tell them I'm a former cop.
I've never been asked to show my gaijin card, but I always make sure to have it. In fact, the only times I'm ever out of my apartment without it is when I'm running or taking the gomi out.
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jademonkey



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 1:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe you must carry your gaijin card by law. Which a lot of foreigners bitch about, but really it's just the most convenient form of ID for you. I mean you can carry your passport everywhere if you really want to.
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Sweetsee



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 7:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JDL works.
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