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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 1:02 pm Post subject: |
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zorro wrote:
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| Do Westgate operate without a license? |
Gee, I don't know. Why don't you ask them and report back? You said you used to work for them.
Or ask the union? For those of you who don't know what I'm talking about with regards to dispatch company licenses, read here.
http://nambufwc.org/issues/alt/
Your recommendation for Westgate may not fly with BS.Dos. He has no experience, and from what I gather on the Westgate web site, you need it. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Is he qualified for Westgate? |
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furiousmilksheikali

Joined: 31 Jul 2006 Posts: 1660 Location: In a coffee shop, splitting a 30,000 yen tab with Sekiguchi.
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Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 1:11 pm Post subject: |
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That confirms it. Call the fire brigade, this baby's out of control.
Am I blind or is there not a dedicated Korean forum? |
I take it you're not blind. There is a forum dedicated to Korea. It is kept seperate from the International Forums and you need a seperate username to post there as far as I know.
Sorry, I can't work out from your post if you're being sarcastic or not. |
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sallycat
Joined: 11 Mar 2006 Posts: 303 Location: behind you. BOO!
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Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 1:25 pm Post subject: |
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sallycat said that people still make a lot of money here. I just wanted to point out that for entry level work, salaries have been dropping in the past 2-3 years. What used to be a standard unshakable salary of 250,000 yen/month is now waffling between 200,000 and 220,000 on average. Yes, average. That means you may even see salaries being offered LESS than 200,000 amounting to bare subsistence wages.
So, people still make a lot of money here? Well, who, sallycat, and how? That point deserves some qualification. |
ok. i reread my post above, and it still says "a decent amount of money", not "a lot of money". |
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zorro (3)
Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 202
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Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry OP. I didn't think about the lack of classroom hours. You are right Glenski. You have to have had experience in the classroom to work for Westgate.
I'm not going to question them on whether they have a license. I'm pretty sure they would have though. |
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G Cthulhu
Joined: 07 Feb 2003 Posts: 1373 Location: Way, way off course.
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Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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| zorro (3) wrote: |
I'm not going to question them on whether they have a license. I'm pretty sure they would have though. |
Your confidence is heartwarming. Childlike na�vety is like that.  |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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| i reread my post above, and it still says "a decent amount of money", not "a lot of money". |
True, and since "decent" is not a clear description of amount, I felt free to take it to mean "a lot". Call it nitpicking, but I'm a fairly exacting person and don't want others (especially newbies) to get the wrong impression.
So, do you have a ballpark figure in mind, sallycat, to go with that word "decent"? |
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BS.Dos.

Joined: 28 Mar 2007 Posts: 30 Location: England
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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 3:00 am Post subject: |
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Glenski
May I ask why you seem to be focused on Asia?
Well, I've been toying with the romantic notion of Chile, but I'm not really the romantic type. I like to think that I could just jet off to somewhere like that, but the reality is I don't know if I've got the balls to jump in at the deep end so to speak, whereas I think I could manage Japan.
I think Japan came to mind initially for a number of reasons: a few friends know people who are out there, I imagine that it'd probably be an easier cultural transition in terms of retaining a few creature comforts etc, seems to have the most developed EFL infrastructure etc and it's pretty stable politically. I've obviously got Europe on my doorstep but it doesn't really have the same pull as the Far East.
I'm gonna give it some thought over the weekend as I want to get something done over the Easter break.
I'll trawl through some more of the threads as you've suggested.
furiousmilksheikali
Sorry, I can't work out from your post if you're being sarcastic or not.
No, not at all. Someone made a reference to being flamed. |
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furiousmilksheikali

Joined: 31 Jul 2006 Posts: 1660 Location: In a coffee shop, splitting a 30,000 yen tab with Sekiguchi.
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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 3:08 am Post subject: |
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furiousmilksheikali
Sorry, I can't work out from your post if you're being sarcastic or not.
No, not at all. Someone made a reference to being flamed. |
Er... okay. Well, there is a Korean forum on Dave's but it's kept seperate. |
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BS.Dos.

Joined: 28 Mar 2007 Posts: 30 Location: England
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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 3:11 am Post subject: |
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^ It's ok, I found it earlier on.
Any idea why Korea is kept seperate from the other forums? |
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furiousmilksheikali

Joined: 31 Jul 2006 Posts: 1660 Location: In a coffee shop, splitting a 30,000 yen tab with Sekiguchi.
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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 3:24 am Post subject: |
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^ It's ok, I found it earlier on.
Any idea why Korea is kept seperate from the other forums? |
Because it's a flame pit. Careful now. |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 3:43 am Post subject: |
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| the reality is I don't know if I've got the balls to jump in at the deep end so to speak, whereas I think I could manage Japan. |
May I ask why? Your initial thoughts of Chile as "the deep end" puzzle me. Why do you consider that the deep end and not Japan?
Chile's alphabet is much more similar to English. Grammar, too. I would think simple communication would be on most people's minds as an initial consideration for surviving in any foreign land.
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| I'm not the type of person who could really 'wing' it if you catch my drift. |
Ok, fair enough. Neither am I. But how do you think you'd be able to fare in a land where you can't even read the language to sound out its words (Japan) compared to one where there is at least some resemblance to English (Chile)? Maybe I didn't "catch your drift" well enough, so it would probably do to explain a little more. You've also expressed a strong interest in Korea, which would pose similar language issues, so other than free rent, what attracts you to such a place as not being at "the deep end"?
You're 37, with no teaching experience and a fresh certificate in hand. I would think you'd want to get your feet wet in a fairly safe place, professionally speaking.
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| I think Japan came to mind initially for a number of reasons: a few friends know people who are out there, I imagine that it'd probably be an easier cultural transition in terms of retaining a few creature comforts etc, seems to have the most developed EFL infrastructure etc and it's pretty stable politically. I've obviously got Europe on my doorstep but it doesn't really have the same pull as the Far East. |
Friends here. Have you asked them what things are like? What do they do here? What are the odds of you actually meeting up with them? (I say that because Japan is roughly 50% larger than the whole UK, so with a regular job there, how often do you get to meet people scattered all over the UK? Compare that with Japan.)
Easier cultural transition. (easier than Chile, presumably)
How do you figure? I know zilch about Chile, but I think I can understand what you wrote about creature comforts, etc. Perhaps even true. Depends on what you are used to. But creature comforts, infrastructure, and stable politics are not what I'd call things involved in a cultural transition. There are business issues (with your employer), teaching issues (with your students and their differences compared to Britons), and the general societal issues (lots of patience needed here!).
Developed EFL structure.
Well, that depends on what you want and perceive. How's Chile's?
I still don't quite grasp the "pull" of the Far East. What is it that attracts you? |
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BS.Dos.

Joined: 28 Mar 2007 Posts: 30 Location: England
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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 4:20 am Post subject: |
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Deep end as in Japan having 'the most developed EFL infrastructure ' From some of the literature I've read, I get the impression that Chile would be a more demanding, exacting starting point for the unintiated.
I think you misunderstood my reference to 'deep end' I think it goes without saying that Japan is probably in a lot of would-be EFL teachers top 3 of good places to start teaching in terms of global destinations whereas, and this is coming from a personal perspective, somewhere like Chile would be somewhere I'd choose to teach after I'd gained some experience, experience that I think would be best served in a country which is widely recognized as being the most adept at serving the needs of an inexperienced EFL teacher.
Friends here. I dont have any friends in Japan. I have friends who know people who are currently out there or who have taught out there.
Easier cultural transition as in 'Westernised'. If I was looking to escape that then I'd probably explore the voluntary sector and think about Africa or somewhere. However, I'm not. Working, let alone teaching, in a foreign country is challenge enough for starters.
What is it that attracts me to the Far East? Well, it'd be difficult to get any further away from the UK. Simply stepping across to somewhere in Europe is not challenging enough. Immersing oneself in an alien culture, far from home is.
May I ask why? Your initial thoughts of Chile Pan pipes and knitwear really. Seriously? It's a beautiful country but too impractical for me at this time, maybe at a later date.
I would think simple communication would be on most people's minds as an initial consideration for surviving in any foreign land. I think that goes without saying. I've just finished profiling a L1 Japanese girl who's a qualified Japanese teacher here in the UK. We're going to trade lessons in our respective languages with one another over the coming weeks. Hopefully, this might give me a grasp of the language should I choose to apply (and get offered) for a job in Japan. |
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shuize
Joined: 04 Sep 2004 Posts: 1270
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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 5:12 am Post subject: |
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| I think that goes without saying. I've just finished profiling a L1 Japanese girl who's a qualified Japanese teacher here in the UK. We're going to trade lessons in our respective languages with one another over the coming weeks. Hopefully, this might give me a grasp of the language should I choose to apply (and get offered) for a job in Japan. |
Yeah. Japanese is a piece of cake. A couple of weeks should be more than enough time to give you a grasp of the language ... Okie dokie. |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 9:21 am Post subject: |
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Thanks, BS.Dos, for that nice explanation. Makes things a lot clearer to me.
You might want to be careful about those feelings of "westernized" Japan. Yes, it has great public transportation, running water, lots of high tech gadgets in the home, etc. Yes, it has McDonalds, Pizza Hut, Mr. Donut, etc. You can get coffee, ice cream, decent toilet paper, a few English magazines and books, etc.
But a lot of those things are superficial. That is, you may see them on the surface, but how the Japanese use them or integrate them into their society may sometimes surprise you. I'm not saying this to scare you (or anyone else) away, despite what some readers here may think. Just giving you a heads-up alert. You will only discover a lot of these things through experience.
Example 1.
Good public transportation. Yup, trains run on time despite most bad weather, and generally the platforms are very clean and orderly, and you may even find a significant part of the signs in English. Very well organized.
Some down sides:
1. "crush hour" crowds in big cities, packing trains to 4 times capacity, and sometimes needing train station staff to push them on.
2. getting elbowed out of the way by older women as you try to board even though you've both stood in line properly
3. little to no heating in some of the more rural stations
Example 2.
My attempt at humor by mentioning running water. Yes, Japan has wonderful plumbing and flush toilets (sometimes with incredible control panels for various functions).
Some down sides:
1. Your apartment may have the squat style toilet. These often take westerners quite a bit of doing to get used to.
2. Public toilets usually have no toilet paper or towels to dry your hands.
3. Public toilets can often be very unclean places.
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| it'd be difficult to get any further away from the UK. Simply stepping across to somewhere in Europe is not challenging enough. Immersing oneself in an alien culture, far from home is. |
Further away geographically, you could find other places. Further away culturally, well, Japan is not the only place, but I would definitely agree that you would find some aspects of TEFL challenging! Some of my friends say that if you can learn to teach EFL in Japan, you can do it anywhere. Not exactly a comforting thought for someone about to cut his/her teeth in the TEFL world, but you did say you wanted a challenge. (which seems to conflict with earlier statements about wanting some security. This leads to my next question...
You implied that Japan was " a country which is widely recognized as being the most adept at serving the needs of an inexperienced EFL teacher " and that Japan had "the most developed EFL infrastructure." I'm curious what makes you say these things? From many accounts on these types of forums, lots of people are fending for themselves and floundering in a sea of indecision and naivete. |
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zorro (3)
Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 202
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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 10:22 am Post subject: |
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| Your confidence is heartwarming. Childlike na�vety is like that. |
Do you know something that I don't? If so, what is it? |
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