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Getting out of EFL before it's too late...
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 1:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps the fact that Deicide has only managed 6 years of this as an "off and on" again thing would explain his results. I was going to suggest higher education or training, but he wrote:
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Actually I am getting my M.A. in a subfield of linguistics, either socio-, phonology or language change and variation...

Well, do you expect that to help teaching EFL? If so, how and where?

I think teachers of all subjects all over the world (not just us TEFLers) would not hesitate to stone people who write:
I guess you want to teach the same junk for the rest of your life?

How do you think your own teachers would feel if you told them that?
What do you you think a masters in a sub-discipline of linguistics is going to do for you?

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the hopes for advancement (well what the hell is advancement in EFL) are minimal.
Perhaps for some. Depends on qualifications, experience, and perseverence. I moved from eikaiwa to private high school to university position. Is that advancement?
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yaramaz



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 1:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've moved around a fair bit within the Turkish EFL teaching options- uni, primary school, high school, language school, corporate (where I am now). I'm not at all bored and my students certainly aren't boring. I find my students and my classes to be intellectually stimulating, full of wit and energy, and always changing. And I teach a lot of very low level classes. Who knew Cutting Edge Starter could allow so much room for discussion and joking? I don't know if I will do this forever but I'm not sure we can write off an entire profession just because some people find it doesn't fit their needs.

I don't think I'd go back to teaching in the k-12 system again, but that was due more to my preference to teach rather than to spend all my energy on discipline. I have a lot of good memories of excellent kids.


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furiousmilksheikali



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Location: In a coffee shop, splitting a 30,000 yen tab with Sekiguchi.

PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 1:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Deicide meet thrifty, thifty meet Deicide.
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MELEE



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 4:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As I read this thread I was actually thinking that decide sounded like thrifty jr. Laughing
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As for what I really want to do: get a Phd and teach at university level. Different kinds of courses, different content, publish some articles...big difference there...


Hey, no time like the present, since when did only PhD's publish articles? Start reading, get into action research, network in your locat TESOL organization to find like minded teachers to spur you on and start building your professional portfolio. That will make you a lot more employable once you do get that PhD.
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thrifty



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

furiousmilksheikali wrote:
Deicide meet thrifty, thifty meet Deicide.


Razz
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Justin Trullinger



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

By all means, if you're not happy, move on. I've done it once, when I got frustrated in a previous career, and moved into EFL. And I suppose, if I get frustrated with EFL, I'll do it again.

But for the moment, I'm NOT frustrated. I don't find my job routine or boring. I do find it incredibly hard work sometimes. But every year since I've been in this field has seen an increase in earning, an increase in training opportunities, and a greater diversity and interest in WHAT I get to teach, and what other opportunities I take on.

So I guess, like most other careers, it's down to two factors. How much you, personally, like it. And what you put into it. These are probably related. If you don't like it, you won't put a lot into it, and it really WILL SUCK. If this is your case, I think you're very right that you might be happier doing something else.

But if you REALLY LIKE IT you put your best into it, and it gets better too. And then, maybe you should stick around- you, your students, and your colleagues will all be glad you did.

It's down to you. Nothing wrong with EFL. Nothing inherently right with it, either. Like most things, it's what you make of it.


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Justin
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tedkarma



Joined: 17 May 2004
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Location: The World is my Oyster

PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 1:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I moved on - once - to a publishing job where we got two weeks a year vacation - only after the first year was up - and only a few select gov't holidays. Sometimes I was working on holidays that even the Burmese laborers down the street got off!

The TEFL world ain't so bad.

If you continue improving your education you can teach other things. Generally speaking almost ALL entry-level jobs s*uck. If you stay at the entry level for ever - it will not be pleasant.
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Deicide



Joined: 29 Jul 2006
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Location: Caput Imperii Americani

PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 2:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
Perhaps the fact that Deicide has only managed 6 years of this as an "off and on" again thing would explain his results. I was going to suggest higher education or training, but he wrote:
Quote:
Actually I am getting my M.A. in a subfield of linguistics, either socio-, phonology or language change and variation...

Well, do you expect that to help teaching EFL? If so, how and where?

I think teachers of all subjects all over the world (not just us TEFLers) would not hesitate to stone people who write:
I guess you want to teach the same junk for the rest of your life?

How do you think your own teachers would feel if you told them that?
What do you you think a masters in a sub-discipline of linguistics is going to do for you?

Quote:
the hopes for advancement (well what the hell is advancement in EFL) are minimal.
Perhaps for some. Depends on qualifications, experience, and perseverence. I moved from eikaiwa to private high school to university position. Is that advancement?


To be succint; my masters has nothing to do with TEFL, just the way I like it. I want to get into full blown academia and that's the point. I need a masters so as to get a Phd as that is generally how that goes. Apart from that it won't do very much (apart from interest me). The same junk, huh? Remember those bible thumpers from gaijin pot Glenski? Well you told them like it is and all I am saying is that TEFL for all its variation is quite repetitive or don't you agree?
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Deicide



Joined: 29 Jul 2006
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Location: Caput Imperii Americani

PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 2:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MELEE wrote:
As I read this thread I was actually thinking that decide sounded like thrifty jr. Laughing
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As for what I really want to do: get a Phd and teach at university level. Different kinds of courses, different content, publish some articles...big difference there...


Hey, no time like the present, since when did only PhD's publish articles? Start reading, get into action research, network in your locat TESOL organization to find like minded teachers to spur you on and start building your professional portfolio. That will make you a lot more employable once you do get that PhD.


No more TESOl stuff, no portfolio there. Now Old Norse lexical items in Northumbrian and Scots, that's interesting.... Wink
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sidjameson



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 2:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Switch on the television and we are constantly shown images of people with great jobs. Property shows where the owner is a businessman and his house is worth a $million. Documetaries where academics are talking about a subject they love. People working in the media showing the work they do. Then there is all the fictional stuff where the characters always seem to be doing interesting stuff; lawyers, doctors, detectives, you know the thing.

Then there is the reality that most people are stuck in an office, shop, restaurant, warehouse, factory etc. Their work is routine, mundane and monotonous. 40 hours a week. 50 weeks a year. Their salary allows them to slowly improve their lot.

Many disgruntled TEFL teachers often aspire to the former while forgetting that they came from the latter.
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naturegirl321



Joined: 04 May 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 3:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You could always move up, this is my fifth year of teaching and I'm studying and working at two well-known schools in the capital in order to go to a smaller city and work in management or admin.
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denise



Joined: 23 Apr 2003
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Location: finally home-ish

PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 3:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yet another thread telling us how useless our jobs are? Hey, I LIKE teaching English! Boring? Nope. Because I MAKE it interesting! I think and discuss with my colleagues and try new things. If you're bored with it, by all means, get out, as others have suggested, but why assume that the rest of us feel the same? You do realize there's sort of an implied insult in there, targeting those of us who like what we do, don't you?

But, going way back to the original post, no, in my own little fantasy world I would not be an EFL teacher. I would be a world champion figure skater or a snowboarding instructor or some such thing that in reality I'm nowhere near good enough to do. But hey, a girl can dream, can't she?

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furiousmilksheikali



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 1:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Deicide wrote:
No more TESOl stuff, no portfolio there. Now Old Norse lexical items in Northumbrian and Scots, that's interesting.... Wink


There's a huge demand for Old Norse lexical items in Northumbrian and Scots these days in Glasgee!

Goodbye ESL, hello ONLIinNandSL, which makes a surprisingly nice acronym.
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saint57



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Now Old Norse lexical items in Northumbrian and Scots, that's interesting....


Good luck with that.
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Deicide



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

saint57 wrote:
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Now Old Norse lexical items in Northumbrian and Scots, that's interesting....


Good luck with that.


Cheers Wink
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