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To the Vets - How DID you find your job in Japan before. . .
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Did the internet flood the teaching market in Japan, thus stagnating the market?
Yes
23%
 23%  [ 4 ]
No
17%
 17%  [ 3 ]
Don't Know
17%
 17%  [ 3 ]
Don't Care
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Don't Know and Don't Care
41%
 41%  [ 7 ]
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Precise



Joined: 23 Mar 2007
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 2:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree that the interned has decreased the quality of teaching because so many people have access to job ads now that they just send their resume and pray. A lot of westerners, myself included, have had fantasies about the beauty of Japan, and many of us this that it is one of the only places in the world to find true happiness. Some may be right and some may be wrong but I think what separates the two is how much research one actually does before coming. It's not wise to move to any foreign country purely on the fantasy that you will find what you have always missed elsewhere.

If you're going to come to Japan to teach (like I'm planning on doing), I would reccomend doing some research about the whole situation there including work and play. It's also a good idea to get your ducks in a row in your home country so you don't have to worry too much about what you're leaving behind.

I've recently used the interned to check out some J-Jobs and I've sent some resumes. I have a degree, an open mind, and a desire to come to Japan but I won't go on a whim. It's important for me to be as sure as I can be before embarking on a life changing journey for a year. My advice to anybody wanting to teach English in Japan is to use the internet first to research before accepting any jobs.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 4:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MrCAPiTUL wrote:
Liz, I will say the market for education in Japan is stagnant (hell, maybe even in regression). From bottom to top, things are not as rosey as they used to be. At the Uni level, requirements have become a lot more stringent, people are worried about job security (though, perhaps one could say this has always been an issue to some degree). Fewer and fewer people are getting those cushie (spelling?) contracts. Alts are killing public school positions and there is a plethora of Alts. English mills have an abundance of applicants and have thus become much more scrutinous on who they offer positions to. Additionally, wages have not increased across the board. In fact, many sectors of the profession have DECREASED. Big language schools facing bankruptcy.


I think that the internet DID play a part in it, abetted by other factors mentioned earlier. The internet has allowed FAR MANY MORE people to apply to the same positions and has allowed them to do so with greater ease. I can learn about almost any place in the world whilst taking a crap - you couldn't do that in the past. It was more difficult. It took more effort. It really is simple supply and demand. The internet has increased the potential supply exponentially, whilst the demand is decreasing (shoot, it has to be - Japan has a dying population). Without the internet, things would appear to balance out at a healthy level. Your supply would've increased a little bit due to sheer growth in English speaking countries, but not as much as it has. Due to the internet, I feel the supply increase has outpaced the demand decrease.


Mr CAPUT Have you considered that you're speaking out of your a rse? Aside from the fact that you are not, and have never been here and spout statements like you have, your economic theory is shot to shi ite. So much so I don't know where to start.
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MrCAPiTUL



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 12:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Markle, where do you assume I haven't been to Japan? Granted, I have not taught ESL there. Having that said, I have been following the industry. You don't have to work it to know about it and see what direction it is headed in. I never worked for the Energy Industry yet I know its yeilding ridiculous profits and that Enron faced corporate scandal to the likes of which destroyed the company. As a certified teacher here in the States, I DID look into teaching in Japan. But, ultimately I decided what I really wanted to do was Business. I decided to go a different route. My points are still valid. Nonetheless, I welcome any counter points you have to challenge my statements. No harm no foul.

Also, the internet has been around for some time now, but it didnt' gain notoriety until about 95 when NSF ended its sponsorship and it became fully commercialized (the net). The poll and the question I asked in the thread are kind of unrelated. I was curious how people found their jobs overseas prior to the net gaining popularity, which made me question the impact the net had on the profession.
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MrCAPiTUL



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 1:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PS Markle:

BS.Dos. wrote:
Would I be right in thinking that a teaching post in Japan is not nearly as good as it used to be, and that maybe I should give serious consideration to applying for a post in say, China?

Markle Said:
You would be right in thinking that, but it doesn't mean that it still isn't worth it. In fact I don't think there is anywhere in ESL where it isn't "as good as it used to be". In some ways China is booming but I suspect that after the Olympics things will drop off a bit.



Ummm, doesn't this kind of go in line with what I said? If it isn't as good as it used to be, how can you say it isn't stagnant or in regression??
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canuck



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 1:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MrCAPiTUL wrote:
PS Markle:

BS.Dos. wrote:
Would I be right in thinking that a teaching post in Japan is not nearly as good as it used to be, and that maybe I should give serious consideration to applying for a post in say, China?

Markle Said:
You would be right in thinking that, but it doesn't mean that it still isn't worth it. In fact I don't think there is anywhere in ESL where it isn't "as good as it used to be". In some ways China is booming but I suspect that after the Olympics things will drop off a bit.



Ummm, doesn't this kind of go in line with what I said? If it isn't as good as it used to be, how can you say it isn't stagnant or in regression??


Did the internet flood the teaching market in Japan, thus stagnating the market?

It obviously flooded the forum with people who couldn't figure out quote button.

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MrCAPiTUL



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 1:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good one Canuck.

Rolling Eyes


PS - that "quote" was from a different thread. Hitting quote wouldn't automatically end up placing it in this thread. I'd have to have copy and pasted anyway. Easier just to do it from jump.

Again I:
Rolling Eyes
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Precise



Joined: 23 Mar 2007
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 1:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MrCAPiTUL wrote:
Good one Canuck.

Rolling Eyes


PS - that "quote" was from a different thread. Hitting quote wouldn't automatically end up placing it in this thread. I'd have to have copy and pasted anyway. Easier just to do it from jump.

Again I:
Rolling Eyes


Well I agree with you Mr. Capitul. Screw these self loathing bums. They're in denial.
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TokyoLiz



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 8:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Once again, Glenski has responded much the way I would if I had the time to post such a long and detailed message. Cheers, Glenski.

To MrCAPiTUL, what Glenski said.

The Internet is just a tool of the job market, nothing more. Communications are merely faster than they used to be.

The uni jobs have been in decline for a decade, no news there.

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Alts are killing public school positions and there is a plethora of Alts.


Recruiters and schools are grinding along with ALTs. ALTs are for the most part, unskilled, and that's what the school boards are being sold by the recruiter. Few of the schools I've talked to really care if you have a teaching credential from home or Japan.

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Additionally, wages have not increased across the board. In fact, many sectors of the profession have DECREASED.


Japan's only now crawling out of a recession, and that is not news.

The reality is ALT and eikaiwa work are the McJobs of foreign workers in Japan. You only need a degree (photocopies only, please. We don't want to be held responsible for fakes. Purple crayon, gaijin sensei?).

Gimme a break, man.
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