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Sinobear
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Why not allow them to install the cameras? Once installed, use a digital camera to photograph your closed door from the same vantage point as the camera. Print out your pic and install that in front of the camera.
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HunanForeignGuy
Joined: 05 Jan 2006
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Location: Shanghai, PRC
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| Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 4:42 am Post subject: |
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I would just wait to see if the authorities actually install the cameras. They could just be bluffing in an attempt to maintain control or intimidate certain behaviours.
As far as consulate involvement, I would completely leave them out of it. Foreign governments will not interfere under any circumstances in personal affairs.
If big brother is going to flex his muscles than either learn to deal with it or find another place to work. |
This is way off the mark. And way out to lunch. And yes, the Consulates do get it involved and you must be really be sleeping or provocative...human rights considerations are quite a consideration. And yes they have gotten involved here before. So enough with the asperions. And no, we won't leave them out of it. |
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HunanForeignGuy
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| Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 4:43 am Post subject: |
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| Sinobear wrote: |
Why not allow them to install the cameras? Once installed, use a digital camera to photograph your closed door from the same vantage point as the camera. Print out your pic and install that in front of the camera.
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This is a great solution! |
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HunanForeignGuy
Joined: 05 Jan 2006
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Location: Shanghai, PRC
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| Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 4:46 am Post subject: Re: The electronic spies...how "nice" |
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| clark.w.griswald wrote: |
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| It may be quite a different thing if they have a camera at the entrance doors of the house where FTs live or if they were placed somewhere where they could watch what you are doing in your private rooms. In the latter case: still have no problem with security cameras? |
Oh come on! Having a camera installed inside your apartment and having one installed outside your apartment are hardly comparable. I don't think that your point requires any more of a reply from me than that.
Certainly, having the cameras installed outside the door of each apartment does sound like overkill no matter whether there is a reason or not as far as past foreign teacher behavior. I would support the use of cameras outside the building, at the main entrance, and perhaps even on the floor if others shared the building with you, but I can see no constructive reason to add security cameras outside each apartment door.
Is there something that we are missing here? Are the apartments all together in one building or are they seperated? What I mean by this is that if they are spread among apartments lived in by non-university residents then perhaps that would explain the focusing in on certain doorways! But if you guys are all in the same building and all university staff then I can't understand the schools reasoning here.
I actually agree with 7969. Too many foreign teachers think that their consulate can and will help them with employers. That is not the role of foreign consulates here. Consulates do not involve themselves in civil disputes. In the cases you mention HFG I assume that there was some breach of law that the consulate sought the school to rectify rather than a breach of contract. In the case of the camera placement I can't see what law is being broken assuming that the school owns the property or has permission from the property owner to install the cameras.
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4. The local Consulate is under pressure to look after the local Yanks as in 2005 an American FT was murdered here in GZ by an employee of his school. He had complained to the Consulate about receiving threats and he was ignored. The case made the U.S. newspapers, the 6:00 p.m. news reports and the local Consulate was really admonished. |
Perhaps this is a different case than the one that I am thinking of, but in the case that I am thinking of there was nothing to suggest that someone from the school murdered the guy. Where did you get that information? The guy did a runner after he felt that the school was not fulfilling it's contract and he was found dead on the street. |
First, I am THOROUGHLY appalled at you, Clark. Are you somehow saying that because a guy did a runner, that his being murdered is justifiable? Read what you wrote....
No, this is not the case. The teacher-in-question was murdered by thugs acting on orders from his school and eventually the thugs were apprehended, but only after Ms. Rice herself brought pressure on Beijing, and the owner of the school was also indicted.
Again, my God, how can you even equate running and murder in the same sentence? |
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andrew_gz
Joined: 15 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 5:10 am Post subject: |
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HFG do you have a source or link for this: "The teacher-in-question was murdered by thugs acting on orders from his school and eventually the thugs were apprehended, but only after Ms. Rice herself brought pressure on Beijing, and the owner of the school was also indicted."
And I do hope your situation is resolved.
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ChinaAndrew
Joined: 01 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 6:05 am Post subject: survellience cameras |
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| I would just put some duck tape over the lens. that is a complete invasion of privacy, unacceptable! going through the other avenues will just give you a headache and make your stay uncomfortable. |
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cj750
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| Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 6:34 am Post subject: |
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| surveillance laws in china are actually fairly strict..and you could check with a lawyer to ascertain the legality of it..other wise ..it would seem if on the outside of the door..then maybe nothing you can do bout it..and if they were looking at surveillance of the FTs..would it be easier to place one camera in a hallway or other wise in a location to catch the comings and goings of the FTs...maybe it is to watch doors ....and prevent break ins.....by residence...has anyone lost anythng lately... |
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Lobster
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Unacceptable. First tell them that it's an affront to your culture and a sign of disrespect. Then, move off campus en masse. It's been said so many times on this forum - living on campus is a recipe for disaster. Another option is to buy a can of black spray paint for the lens and slowly fog it over.
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eslstudies
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| Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 6:46 am Post subject: Re: The electronic spies...how "nice" |
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Indeed, they are ultra vires in terms of the contract but they are also an elementary violation of even the most basic of human rights. |
I'd have thought there were more blatant human rights violations of a more important kind going on in the USA, not to mention China, as we debate this.
And I doubt if the US constitution follows its citizens to foreign lands. Your "rights" are negligible here. Extra-territoriality and gunboat diplomacy are long dead. |
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HunanForeignGuy
Joined: 05 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 7:55 am Post subject: Re: The electronic spies...how "nice" |
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| eslstudies wrote: |
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Indeed, they are ultra vires in terms of the contract but they are also an elementary violation of even the most basic of human rights. |
I'd have thought there were more blatant human rights violations of a more important kind going on in the USA, not to mention China, as we debate this.
And I doubt if the US constitution follows its citizens to foreign lands. Your "rights" are negligible here. Extra-territoriality and gunboat diplomacy are long dead. |
What does this have to do with the subject-at-hand? Another diversionary comment. Address the instant matter and spare your antiUS venom. I set forth an unpleasant situation and asked for ideas on how to remedy it. All you did was to contribute more of nothing. SuperMario lives on. |
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Mr. Kalgukshi
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| Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 8:07 am Post subject: Warning |
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Example of inappropriate ad hominem postings resulting in a thread being locked.
Those responsible should consider this a warning sent and received. |
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