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cj750



Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 12:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Because most schools do not have cooperate credit cards or checks..it is difficult for the better schools to advertise on sites such as this (many of the good schools quit when Dave started charging)...want good jobs..learn how to "cold call"
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Shan-Shan



Joined: 28 Aug 2003
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Location: electric pastures

PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 12:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The "good" little money is certainly an enticement.

Mental health reasons, however, prevent me from signing a 35 year contract with a university in China. As a previous poster mentioned, the limitations which accompany most FT positions start to feel too snug after a couple of years.

And the students (not all, but many). Today I had a little private chat with four motivated ones. They explained how "our classmates' bodies are 22 years of age, but their brains are still little boys". The clients themselves can make teaching a trial. This can be said anywhere, mind you, but rarely (or so I will assume) at the university level.

A good short time gig; but as a career, TESL in China seems intellectually stifling.
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jammish



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I concur 100% with shan shan's post. It is a good short term thing, but not a long term career. I even concur that the standard of living we can afford is good too. In one of the better jobs you can live comfortably and save enough to both put money away and go on holiday in the summer etc. But it's the lack of long term career structure that makes me want to go back and, as ESLstudies mentioned on the previous page, get better qualified.
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mondrian



Joined: 20 Mar 2005
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Location: "was that beautiful coastal city in the NE of China"

PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 10:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jammish wrote:
I concur 100% with shan shan's post. It is a good short term thing, but not a long term career. I even concur that the standard of living we can afford is good too. In one of the better jobs you can live comfortably and save enough to both put money away and go on holiday in the summer etc. But it's the lack of long term career structure that makes me want to go back and, as ESLstudies mentioned on the previous page, get better qualified.


And part of any long term career structure should be provision for your old age!
So what about putting part of your savings into a pension fund? Do many of you do this? Or is old age something that will happen in the future, and not of immediate concern?
One thing is certain, you will NOT be getting a pension from the Chinese Government.
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sheeba



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 12:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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get better qualified.


And what better place to do that than in China whilst doing that 'cushy' little job . Chinese University teaching also allows you freedom to carry out research in class whilst you are studying . I don't thinkI'd have this kind of freedom to make discoveries in other places . However as soon as I'm qualified I'm off.
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eslstudies



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 1:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, this was the other bonus: being able to take on post graduate studies in the many free hours I had.
Then when I came back home to the 40 plus hour a week job, at least I was able to work in the area I'd specialised in, and am certainly happier doing that than teaching Shakespeare to classes of 30 largely disinterested 15 year old native speakers.
China's a nice diversion, and a break from the salary slavery we Westerners engage in. As others point out, its not really a career though. Its also something you can do in lieu of retirement........until six flights of stairs gets too much for you.
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Shan-Shan



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 4:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The job experience is excellent for those intending to pursue higher qualifications. And if doing dubious distance education is your prefered route, then a Chinese university position makes for a good lab as well.
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TESOUL



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 3:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well said Anda

I have tried to explain the living costs of Australia to Chinese people and they just don't believe me.

A good job or bad job in China is still going to earn me a much more comfortable standard of living than Australia.
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Shan-Shan



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 4:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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A good job or bad job in China is still going to earn me a much more comfortable standard of living than Australia


A bad job in China, for example 2800RMB per month at 16 classes per week, limited paid vacation and health care in a city where your lungs will blacken just by breathing? Sounds pretty snug.

So why isn't Australia already empty, and China full of Australian expats looking to tutor for 60 RMB per hour plus bus fare?
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TESOUL



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 2:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So why isn't Australia already empty, and China full of Australian expats looking to tutor for 60 RMB per hour plus bus fare?

Australia is empty!!

Yeah, I don't know. Most of us Aussies can't string a coherent sentence together let alone teach a class. Most of us a really racist too.

Even on 2800, you could still save 1000 easily. This is more than I could save in Sydney