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Help! High US tax on stock sales

 
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t_murakami



Joined: 22 Mar 2007
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 1:59 am    Post subject: Help! High US tax on stock sales Reply with quote

Hello,

First I must apologize for boring my Aussie, SAer, Scotts and other cousins with this queston: (How the dust bin lids, by the by?) Smile

Anyway, my KSA income was non-taxable for 2006. However it did go into figuring my tax bracket for other income (estate sales, sales of stocks krugerands, yachts, Loire chateaux, etc.) Very Happy

Guess i was imprudent to sell just my winning stocks, so I had a big capital gains. Now the US IRS wants a stack of bills from me.
My tax advisor (dear old mum) has some expertise (years with HR Block)
but she seems to think there is no way out of this jam, but to pay.

She tells me this is some new tax law that includes ones' overseas income
in figuring tax on other incomes.

I was just hoping some clever USer out there would have some advice or a nice loop-hole for me regarding reducing reported KSA or such.

cheers, T
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 3:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry... your mother is right. Fortunately the max tax on Capital Gains is 15%, so it could be worse (depending on your other investment income - which is also taxable).

I don't know of any law that affects the investment income versus overseas income. I'll have to check that out later.

Afraid you're not rich enough to get a loophole. Embarassed

VS
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Van Norden



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 2:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Help! High US tax on stock sales Reply with quote

t_murakami wrote:
Anyway, my KSA income was non-taxable for 2006. However it did go into figuring my tax bracket for other income (estate sales, sales of stocks krugerands, yachts, Loire chateaux, etc.)...She tells me this is some new tax law that includes ones' overseas income in figuring tax on other incomes.

All your examples are asset sales; ie, capital gains, not income. They're different things. I'd make sure the new law means that you really are now liable to pay capital gains tax, rather than just tax on 'other income' (ie, interest, dividends, rent.)

As VS says, it won't be a lot in percentage terms. Still, who wants to pay any tax at all?

BTW, is it too late to sell some of your duds? It's crazy to pay capital gains tax and sit on your losses. You're giving money away.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 1:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, it's too late because under US law, the transaction had to take place prior to 12/31...

VS
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t_murakami



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 10:53 pm    Post subject: Thanks ...and Yankees be careful of this law Reply with quote

Thanks to VS and Van Norden for responding.

I am afraid no loopholes for me. Maybe for 2007 I ll found a charity to shelter potential alcoholics (meaning me and select ESLers ,in Cap Ferat or Bensancon, you know, away from the vineyards but near many liquorstores,beaches or peaks)... Whaddya think?

In the end the evil G-men have me. So the lesson is to sell some of those losing trades every year to keep the jaws of the Tax Man off your trouser legs.

The new law in the US requires US ex-pats to include all foreign-earned pay when calculating a base for capital gains. it was NOT a law in 2006.

I even went thru my sales to redo "first-in first-out standard gain/loss calculations" but was no help really.

The key is to hold some stocks over a year, tough I find it a often poor strategy given recent volatiliy of Nikkei 225 and even the DOW. still, I think with the shortage of metals due to "Chindia" growth , there are still some great long-term plays in mining and uranium mining for a brave new world.

Anyway, I hope your accountants used the correct new forms to keep you out of jail when you next land at JFK. Very Happy

cheers
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 1:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

At least the fact that you are paying taxes on capital gains shows that you are making money with your trades... not always the case. Cool

But it is irritating to have to throw hard earned money at a government who squanders it so outrageously.

VS
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scot47



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 4:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now you KNOW that our nice Uncle Sam needs thatmoney. He has things to pay for in Ay-Rak.
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Paul in Saudi



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 11:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pay the tax. They got Ali Al-Caponi for tax evasion, they can get you too.

B the way did you know the storage fees for all your stuff back in the States is deductible?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 1:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The problem is that few have enough deductibles for that to be of much good. In order to itemize you have to have high mortgage interest expense and property taxes. The majority of expat EFL teachers use the standard deduction and thus this item isn't helpful.

My first contract in Oman, I paid off my mortgage and thus I was unable to itemize for the rest of my time overseas. Sad

VS
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