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MikeySaid



Joined: 10 Nov 2004
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Location: Torreon, Mexico

PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 5:59 pm    Post subject: Marital Status... discrimination? Full disclosure? Reply with quote

I had an appointment, not really an interview at Colegio Ingles in Torreon about a month ago, and they wanted to know why I wanted to teach in Torreon and why I've spent time there.

As an American, I always feel like family ties and relationships are sort of ... none of your business, if you're my employer. But I've looked at applications and they ask for your marital status on applications... which I am pretty sure is absolutely illegal here.

Anyway... would it behoove me to tell a prospective employer in Torreon that one of the reasons i want to work there is because I am engaged to a Lagunera? Or would it be a reason for them *NOT* to hire me?

Note, I've contacted countless schools in the area and it seems like nobody wants to return my phone calls/emails... what do I do? I want to be there by August/September as there's now a wedding to plan and a family to get to know a little better.

Any help is appreciated.

-Mike
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MELEE



Joined: 22 Jan 2003
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Location: The Mexican Hinterland

PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mikey,
Just go. Take the plundge without the job lined up, apply in person to the schools and I'm sure you will get a job. Things will happen face to face more than over the phone or by email. You might have to start with two part-time jobs to get enough hours, but if you are committed to staying in Torreon, a better job will open up for you after 6 months or so.

An yes, go ahead and disclose to potential employers that your heart lies in Torreon, it won't hurt and can only help.
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MikeySaid



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Location: Torreon, Mexico

PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sidenote: I do have student loans... but I'm trying to get enrolled in a MATESOL program online... which will do two things for me... I think...

1. Make me more qualified (right now I've just got a BA in World Languages and Cultures)

2. Means my student loan payment can get put on the back burner.
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El Gallo



Joined: 05 Feb 2007
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hey Mikey,
sorry but the same equal opportunity laws don't apply here in Mexico. Employers can ask almost anything - age, marital status, sexual preference, religion, where you live, etc. Although there may be Federal human rights laws, the states look the other way in favor of employers when it comes to enforcement.
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mapache



Joined: 12 Oct 2006
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Location: Villahermosa

PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

After I went to a birthday party at a bar for one of my friends, a friend of his who is gay showed up. Unfortunately, the comedian picked up on it and made gay jokes about our table. The secretarty of the school owner was there and "reported" me. The owner said a concerned parent made an inquiry but I later found out that was another one of her lies. Anyway, I refused to answer her questions about my life and my friends. Oh how I wish I could have had her in the same position in the US. I could retire with the law suit judgment. But is is true that, here in Mexico, these rights either don't exist or are unenforceable. Owners think they can ask employees anything probably because the Mexican teachers allow it.
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El Gallo



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah Mikey, go for it. Use your new family to help you with contacts there. Go to the schools in person with a resume in Spanish in hand (get some advice on the Mexican resume format). Phone calls, like emails usually are not returned here, at least not in any hurry.

GOOD LUCK AND CONGRATULATIONS!
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MikeySaid



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Location: Torreon, Mexico

PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How about placement agencies? (My work schedule, plus the fact that travelling to Torreon costs money makes just going down there a little bit difficult)

Any good companies that can help me get a j.o.b.?
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Phil_K



Joined: 25 Jan 2007
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Location: A World of my Own

PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To my mind, marriage (or impending marriage), especially by a foreigner and especially to a Mexican, implies stability and commitment and should be seen as a plus.

On the bog-standard application form available in papeler�as, there is a section about your spouses job...and if I remember well, income! I draw the line at that...

Thankfully, I am now a partner in a new school and I am the one doing the employing. To me, it matters more what you can do for us than the minutae of your life. To quote Henry Ford:

"I don't care if a man comes from Harvard or Sing Sing; it is the man I'm interested in, not his history".
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PlayadelSoul



Joined: 29 Jun 2005
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Location: Playa del Carmen

PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 11:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mapache wrote:
After I went to a birthday party at a bar for one of my friends, a friend of his who is gay showed up. Unfortunately, the comedian picked up on it and made gay jokes about our table. The secretarty of the school owner was there and "reported" me. The owner said a concerned parent made an inquiry but I later found out that was another one of her lies. Anyway, I refused to answer her questions about my life and my friends. Oh how I wish I could have had her in the same position in the US. I could retire with the law suit judgment. But is is true that, here in Mexico, these rights either don't exist or are unenforceable. Owners think they can ask employees anything probably because the Mexican teachers allow it.


It is wierd how the whole world has been out to get you. Rolling Eyes
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Samantha



Joined: 25 Oct 2003
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Location: Mexican Riviera

PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 12:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mapache wrote:
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But is is true that, here in Mexico, these rights either don't exist or are unenforceable. Owners think they can ask employees anything probably because the Mexican teachers allow it.


Pick up a newspaper sometime and you will see it's common practice for ANY employer to specify the age and/or sex and even the attractiveness of the person he wishes to hire. I believe it's looked upon as the employer's right to hire whomever he or she wants to. And to discover that, questions must be asked. It is not considered inappropriate in this culture to ask personal type questions. That's our baggage.

A random sample from today's local classifieds online:

Quote:
MOTEL OASIS solicita Camareista, supervisor de productividad y ayudante de mantenimiento, solicitud elaborada, edad 18-35. Informes: 980-73-23.


Quote:
MUNSA MOLINOS, S.A. de C.V. solicita Cargadores. Requisitos:
edad de 18 a 45 a�os
Sin problemas de horariol
buena presentaci�n.


Quote:
POPOROOMS SOLICITA Personal. Requisitos: manejar cami�n dual, licencia vigente, 20-35 a�os, solicitud elaborada: 980-88-08 prestaciones y excelentes ingresos.
I love this ad! You can't be over 35 to drive the port-a-potty trucks!

Quote:
PROTOTIPO Y CONSTRUCCION solicita el Sig. Personal.
*Arquitecto: edad 27-45 a�os, estado civil indistinto, experiencia m�nima 1 a�o, sepa tomar decisiones, tenga iniciativa, trabajo sobre objetivos.


Quote:
SOLICITO MESERAS Guapas y Presentables $100.00 Diarios m�s propinas, Informes: 940-81-94.
This one says you should be good looking and you will make more tips.

Quote:
SOLICITO AYUDANTE de cocinero, solicito meseros, sexo indistinto, edad de 20 a 30 a�os. Comunicarse al. 6699-94-88-05.
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MikeySaid



Joined: 10 Nov 2004
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Location: Torreon, Mexico

PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 1:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Samantha wrote:

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SOLICITO MESERAS Guapas y Presentables $100.00 Diarios m�s propinas, Informes: 940-81-94.
This one says you should be good looking and you will make more tips.


Hmmm... actually it says they're looking for cute and presentable waitresses, who should expect to make 100 pesos per day PLUS tips.
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Samantha



Joined: 25 Oct 2003
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Location: Mexican Riviera

PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 2:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cute, good-looking, whatever. Question Guapo is translated as "handsome" in my parts. So guapa is "attractive" or nice looking. Did you at least get the point of my post? I don't require Spanish lessons if that's where you were going.

Edited by me: You are right, I wasn't addressing your post in the first place but the other one that claimed that discrimination in Mexico is lawsuit material in the good old USA. Your post had already been answered more than adequately and I agree with the advice you were given. Good luck.


Last edited by Samantha on Wed Apr 11, 2007 2:27 am; edited 3 times in total
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MikeySaid



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Location: Torreon, Mexico

PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 2:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Samantha wrote:
Did you at least get the point of my post where I was attempting to shed light on your most recent Mexico conundrum?


If you refer to the original post, you can see that I'm aware marital status is of interest to employers in Mexico and can be inquired about.

My questions were directly related to whether or not I should disclose that information when it is unsolicited, and how I can find employment in a specific place because I want to work where she is.
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mapache



Joined: 12 Oct 2006
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Location: Villahermosa

PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 2:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PlayadelSoul wrote:


It is wierd how the whole world has been out to get you. Rolling Eyes


Gee, I guess it is. Maybe I need a long vacation by the "Golf of Mexico" (HH Advanced Book, page 17)
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mapache



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 2:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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