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eslstudies
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A friend worked there between jobs. He said it was fine, as far as that kind of work goes. Decent admin, smallish classes. The hours negate any chance of a social life, however.
We both agree that Suzhou is one of the premier towns in China.
PM me if you'd like to contact him. |
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butlerian
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| I see. I've worked for a similar kind of organisation in Korea - YBM. Although I don't enjoy the hours, I found the pay surprisingly good - 8,000 + 1,500 housing allowance. I wish I could find other jobs paying that much in China. A University would be great, as I have a Masters degree, but so far I can't find anything beyond 6,000. |
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eslstudies
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People I've known working at Web in Shanghai have made that much.
For a university, try
http://shdj.chinatefl.com/Introduction/shdj.html
If the masters is in education, you should be able to negotiate 7.5-8.
And don't go via the recruiting site, but straight to the school. |
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englishgibson
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I'm wondering about the connection in between WEB International and Webster Education....is there any at all or are they two different organizations 
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A McWeb job is not as bad as some. But it is still a McJob.
Actually their teaching materials are inappropriate in most instances. |
I know what you mean there, however I must say that a Job with no teaching material or goals might not really be a job at all 
Having those materials and goals does still allow to suplement or be creative, doesn't it?
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| Many Web students prefer to "free talk" rather than use the boring materials. |
Free talk in a school's classroom when the students have paid for it ...how long will those be coming for lessons
Forgive me for a touch of sarcasm, but I see a lack of professional attitude there ...with all due respect to ya, I'd organize an English Corner for that "free talk" rather than an English course
Having said that, however, I'd be interested to know how one deals with "free talk" lessons/courses...I have done it, enjoyed it on one hand, but struggled on the other hand...especially due to tough academic research prior to my lessons/free talk
Peace to WEB
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cheers and beers to our friendly forums  |
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clark.w.griswald
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| Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 11:00 am Post subject: |
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| We both agree that Suzhou is one of the premier towns in China. |
That is a good point to bring up I think.
Although researching the actual school that you are going to be working in is very important, knowing a bit about and perhaps understanding the city is also very valuable to ensuring that you have a good experience. If you are in a city that you enjoy living in then perhaps some of the smaller problems that you are likely to encounter during the year are somewhat more bearable. If you hate the city then there is a pretty good chance that any problems that do crop up at work will just compound to make things worse.
Suzhou is a nice place and although not a reason in itself to work for Web it is plus. |
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jimoin
Joined: 21 Oct 2004
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 3:35 am Post subject: Web |
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Web indeed suffers from the problem of poor management and high staff turnover. The problem is they are too profit focused and don't really care about the student's learning. Teachers have even been told directly that in China 'quantity of work hours is more important than quality'. Also that the school's students are customers first, students last. Course consultants are encouraged to lie to their clients, meaning clients often have wildly inflated expectations and show serious passive aggression to teachers.
The conditions look good on paper, only allowed to stay there if you are entertaining and well liked. The school boasts of a new learning method to improve speaking but the students are happiest when lectures are given for english corners. Since management does not stand up against students (except concerning getting their money back) true TEFL teachers are forced to sell out or put up with student apathy and annoyance at being forced to actually speak to each other in class.
Though the salary looks high for 25 full time class hours, in fact you have to stay at the place for 48-50 hours a week due to their factory-style clock-in system.
A university is a far safer bet. |
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englishgibson
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 5:13 am Post subject: |
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| The conditions look good on paper, only allowed to stay there if you are entertaining and well liked. |
I understand what you mean there. It does make one feel like an "edutainor" rather than educator
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Course consultants are encouraged to lie to their clients, meaning clients often have wildly inflated expectations and show serious passive aggression to teachers.
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I have always wondered about those workers at centers. In EF they really screwed up the atmosphere there.
Since you seem to know so much, would you be so kind to answer my previous question with respect to whether the WEB has any relations to Webster or not?
Peace to all
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cheers and beers to all hard working FTs in China |
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jimoin
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 5:41 am Post subject: |
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| Not that I know of. |
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