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Lynn

Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 696 Location: in between
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Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 8:08 am Post subject: |
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| I am not insensitive to the plight of non-smokers, but stuff like this confounds me. If somewhere is too smoky, just don't go there! . |
I wish it were that easy. I went to the hospital with my friend, and even there people are allowed to smoke.
At the school's sports meet day the parents were smoking while their kids ran the relay. |
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Precise
Joined: 23 Mar 2007 Posts: 140
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Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 1:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Smoking in a hospital? What are they trying to kill the patients quicker? |
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JimDunlop2

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Posts: 2286 Location: Japan
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Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 1:57 pm Post subject: |
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Well, I am sure you can't affect others with second-hand lard but what type of person concerned for their health eats at McDonalds? |
One who eats their salads or drinks their coffee? McDonalds offers more than just McLard... Besides, I go there maybe once a month if that. I just hate getting smoked out whenever I DO go. |
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lagerlout2006

Joined: 17 Sep 2003 Posts: 985
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Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 10:50 pm Post subject: |
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Asia will change in it's own good time-----slowly.
I' m back in Canada now where the silliness and nannyism never ends. The latest is to remoove "light" and "mild" from packagi ng. I guess there are people out there who think light cigs are healthy?
The ciggie-health fascists just don't know when to stop.
But remember you are not at home please. |
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J.
Joined: 03 May 2003 Posts: 327
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 12:06 am Post subject: |
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Yay for the "ciggie-health fascists!" They wouldn't have been necessary if smokers were more considerate about their smoking habits. Or gave a damn about others' health, even children's. A few years back in Canada it was common for babies and small children to have to be in waiting and receptions rooms everywhere breathing second-hand smoke, maybe for hours. Not good. And that's only one example.
As an ex-smoker, I know that the main problem with smokers is that most are very addicted and can't go long without a cigarette. That usually leads to them smoking in the street, or anywhere they happen to be. Without the laws being in place that would be virtually everywhere. |
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Zzonkmiles

Joined: 05 Apr 2003 Posts: 309
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 12:30 am Post subject: |
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Smoking is the Japanese national sport.
Seriously, I would not recommend Japan to people who can't stand cigarette smoke, are strict vegans/vegetarians, or are easily offended by incidents of sexism. I'm not saying one should accept all this stuff; I'm saying that it might be more trouble than it's worth if these are big issues for you because I can't imagine this stuff changing anytime soon. |
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Apsara
Joined: 20 Sep 2005 Posts: 2142 Location: Tokyo, Japan
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 12:32 am Post subject: |
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Another yay for the ciggie health fascists! There are probably people out there (especially young women) who think that light cigarettes are better for them and would give up/ not start if they couldn't find "Light" cigarettes.
Japan is slowly changing, but it will be decades before they catch up with other countries on the smoking issue. I am disgusted by parents who take their children to sit in the smoking section of restaurants, and they are most likely smoking at the dinner table at home as well.
I look forward to the day I can stand at traffic lights in Japan and not have to dodge someone's smoke or ash while I wait for the lights to change- it won't come any time soon though. However I was impressed when I went to a cafe in Kichojoji recently and found the smoking floor almost empty while the two non-smoking floors were packed- perhaps things are changing quicker than I thought. |
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The Noodles
Joined: 24 Aug 2005 Posts: 202 Location: China, Chengdu
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 5:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Smoking looks pretty cool though. Is also quite sexy. |
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Precise
Joined: 23 Mar 2007 Posts: 140
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Smoking looks pretty cool though. Is also quite sexy. |
Yeah until you go on a respirator. Then you're really sexy. |
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The Noodles
Joined: 24 Aug 2005 Posts: 202 Location: China, Chengdu
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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ahh come on... Real men don't do that  |
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Precise
Joined: 23 Mar 2007 Posts: 140
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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| The Noodles wrote: |
ahh come on... Real men don't do that  |
Don't do what?" |
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The Noodles
Joined: 24 Aug 2005 Posts: 202 Location: China, Chengdu
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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Go on a respirator. Way to cool for that  |
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pastis
Joined: 21 Jul 2006 Posts: 82
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 10:57 pm Post subject: |
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| JimDunlop2 wrote: |
AAAAAARRGGGHHHHHH!!!
Please don't get me started on this. Smoking in Japan is the bane of my existence.
Where else but here do I have to have a bloody asthma attack waiting in line at McDonalds? No joke! Everyone friggin' smokes EVERYWHERE! It's bloody COMMON to have to wade through Cheech&Chong clouds of smoke just to get to the fuggin' NON-SMOKING SECTION!!!!!!
I really wish people would show a little bit more sensitivity. Jeez. Don't even get me started on this. It's a sore point with me.... |
Seriously? Japan's about on par with other countries, and actually better than some... I take it you've never been to France...
I never had a big problem with smoke in Japan, at least you can't smoke in many public places (although granted it can be a problem in busy restaurants).
Also, I'm very skeptical about the smoking in hospitals thing (never had the need to go to one there)... sounds untrue to me - unless it's a designated smoking room, with ventilation, but certainly not around the patients... |
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furiousmilksheikali

Joined: 31 Jul 2006 Posts: 1660 Location: In a coffee shop, splitting a 30,000 yen tab with Sekiguchi.
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 12:18 am Post subject: |
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Pastis, I can assure you there is smoking in hospitals and just about everywhere else. There are few places indeed where there is no smoking. Some cafes and restaurants have smoking and non-smoking floors such as Doutur, but as others have pointed out in many cases a smoking area and a non-smoking area might be placed right alongside each other with the only thing distinguishing them being a sticker on the table. It's completely ridiculous of course.
Personally I don't mind a smoke or two, particularly after dinner and so I'm not against restaurants that allow smoking. I do mind, however, if a group of adults who want to smoke bring their kids to the table next to mine as it should be their responsibility to shield them from smoke. I usually ask to move seats if this happens as a) it stops me from breathing out smoke next to kids and b) it stops me having to sit next to kids and their obtuse parents. |
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SeasonedVet
Joined: 28 Aug 2006 Posts: 236 Location: Japan
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 12:37 am Post subject: |
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The Noodles wrote:
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| Smoking looks pretty cool though. Is also quite sexy |
If this is true one big reason is the movie making machines that have for years churned out movies showing the coolest looking people smoking. Not only movies but the commercials and advertisements always make it look really cool to smoke.
I happen to think though that as cool as it might look, that my lungs were made for breathing in fresh air and not smoke.
I hate breathing in exhaust fumes from vehicles and wouldn't want to be next to a vehicle's exhaust system for any length of time.
It would be alot better to go hiking in the Alps and breathe some of that fresh air.
Why for the sake of "coolness" should I inhale smoke that does the body no good into lungs that were made for fresh air?
There might be something "cooler" to do than that.
Also I just abhor the smell of cigarette breath especially when it's mingled with coffee breath. Real cool that one huh. |
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