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scot47 · Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Posts: 15343

There was truth in it this time, but we had heard "Wolf" so many times that most of us here were sceptical. I got the news from Yahoo and then switched on the BBC.

The genie is out of the bottle here in KSA.

Mark100 · Joined: 05 Feb 2003 Posts: 441

There are alot of very nervous people here in Aramco and i feel it is only a matter of time before this place is targeted.
There is not a lot you can do against suicide bombers really when it comes down to it.
I bet it is only the young and brainwashed that are prepared to martyr themselves.
You won't find any of the preaching religious hypocrits sacrificing themselves for the cause.

scot47 · Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Posts: 15343

Aramco has pretrty tight sceurity. So do most other places where westerners live.
The attack in Riyadh last night allegedly targetted compounds used by Arabs and Asians. Soft target ?

johnslat · Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2003 3:30 pm Post subject: Duh!!

Of course Osama is after the Royals - it's nice, though, finally to see what has been so obvious highlighted in the "Western" media.

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/10/international/middleeast/10DIPL.html?th

But I also think the terrorists are "shooting themselves in the feet", so to speak, with their current strategy. Blowing up fellow Arabs and other Moslems is not likely to win them too many friends over there. So, I suppose we can be grateful these lunatics are not only crazy but also dumb.

Regards,
John

ohman · Joined: 09 Sep 2003 Posts: 239 Location: B' Um Fouk, Egypt

John,

I would like to agree that Saudis might wake up to the dangers of fundamentalism in their own backyard. But in order for that to happen, the Royals and the Imams would have to reverse themselves on the long running party line that EVERYTHING bad that has ever happened in the history of the world can be traced to the "Chosen".

I've heard incredibly rational Saudis explain to me that somehow WWII, FDR's death, Kennedy's assassination, the faked moon landing, September 11th etc are all somehow tied to a cabal of Shylocks sitting in some smoked filled room somewhere.

johnslat · Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2003 4:01 pm Post subject: Osama the Zionist?

Dear ohman,
Very true - but I doubt even the Royals / imams think that Osama is the front man for a Zionist conspiracy.
Regards,
John

ohman · Joined: 09 Sep 2003 Posts: 239 Location: B' Um Fouk, Egypt

John,

According to these Zionist conspiracy doctrinaires, Osama isn't a front man. He's just an hapless shill for the sinister ones: trained by the CIA to fight the Russians. Likud is now headed by Sharansky, a former Russian nuclear physicist. . .one just has to connect the dots.

What would it take for the Royals to tell the imams to stop connecting these dots? The royal families throughout the gulf have depended upon this demagoguery to entrance the Khaleeji citizenry.

scot47 · Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Posts: 15343

Well of course the REAL explanation for what happend in Riyadh on Saturday was that this was organised by the sinister forces controlled by Mossad and the CIA. No Muslim would do something like this !

And the moon is made of green cheese and I have fairies at the bottom of my garden !

Mark100 · Joined: 05 Feb 2003 Posts: 441

scot47
Funny you should mention that theory as i was told the very same thing by a Jordanian yesterday!
Many are in complete denial.

MacMahon · Joined: 04 Oct 2003 Posts: 39

I was in the smoke filled room with the Cabal Shylocks and can vouch that they mentioned nothing of the sort.

Most Saudis I have met and spoke with seem clear that these attacks were performed by the exitable ignorant rabble. Young not only in age but to the world and its ways.

Israels far reaching global dominance is a figment of the imagination.
Americas is not. The right wing Christian power lobbies will do their upmost to preserve the "Children of Israel" as they in turn see that God will preserve them see..... hold up. I don't have an Old Testament at hand.
Would you agree?

Peace in the Middle East...

guest of Japan · Joined: 28 Feb 2003 Posts: 1601 Location: Japan

Actually, Israel is backed most strongly by Democrats. The Jewish community, particularly in NY, is very vocal on the subject, and a whole lot of money is given to the cause. The Republicans are not against it because it means huge defense contracts which help to keep the defense industry sailing even in times of peace.

Jews maybe tops on Gods list, but the old rich Republicans still don't want them in their country clubs.

johnslat · Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 2:22 pm Post subject: Armageddon

Dear guest of Japan,
I think you may be "living ( at least to some extent ) in the past" as regards the Democrats and Israel. The fundamentalist "Christian" right is totally supportive of the state of Israel, NOT out of any love for the Jewish people (only 144,000 of them will be "saved" when Armageddon comes - soon), but because a country of Israel is NECESSARY so that the prophecies can be fulfilled. As for the bombings' being a "Zionist conspiracy", well, I'm sure some whackos can still be found who believe that, but I'd say the vast majority of the Muslims, and especially Saudis, in Saudi Arabia are a little more in touch with reality these days:

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/11/international/middleeast/11SAUD.html?th

I still think these latest bombings were a big "tactical error" on the part of Al Qaeda. And, as - to my mind - a side-benefit, all this must be making that total bozo, Prince Naif / Nayef, look increasingly like the incompetent - and dangerous - idiot he is, as well.
Regards
John

veiledsentiments · Joined: 20 Feb 2003 Posts: 17644 Location: USA

Interesting article, JohnS. (partially because I used to work with the journalist's brother back in Oman). But it brought up something that came to my mind when the bombing occurred.

Remember when the fundamentalists in Egypt massacred that large number of tourists at the Hatshepsut temple in Luxor? The Egyptians were appalled and general support for the attackers cause dried up very quickly. Within days the leaders of these groups who had been organizing regular potshots at tourist trains and buses for years renounced violence. Since then things have been pretty quiet there and most violence has been turned to their traditional village vendettas. (note that I am knocking on wood here)

As has been discussed on this board, real change has to come from within. (as in - you can't force democracy down people's throat with tanks and helicopter gunships) Hopefully this will open the eyes of the 'average person on the street' that these killers do not have the most honorable of intentions.

VS
(PS JohnS - yesterday there was a quarter page ad in the small town local paper here about the coming Rapture - any day now folks. I think Guest of Japan has been away from here too long and has missed the fact that we don't actually have a Republican party anymore.)

MacMahon · Joined: 04 Oct 2003 Posts: 39

To Abraham God said, 'And I will bless those who bless you, and the one who curses you I will curse. And in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed" (Genesis 12:3).

Wow this rooms smokey...

I think this latest spate of suicidal murders has no doubt further demonized Bin had been, and played into the Governments' hand if, and when, they seek to push reforms through which looks to be the case.

It seems that this ideology, one of bloody revolt, gained most momentum in Egypt where it was nurtured by the Muslim Brotherhood. An ironfist dropped on them with the advent of Mubarak and assassination of Anwar Saddat which then set a cat amongst the pigeons. Followers of this group were imprisoned or scattered thereafter including brother to the executed former leader of the M.Brotherhood named Sayid Qutb. Lecturing by day and grabbing the ear of a select rising youth by night his brother M.Qutb continued his call in none other than Saudi Arabia. Bin had been was caught in that web at his most naive point it seems. His only grounding was in $ bills. He was/is an ignorant man appealing to the masses by way of emotional rhetoric and quotes from Bin Bush. There are books written against him here dating back four years pointing to his shallow disposition and make up. Mix that with a spell in Afghanistan and the C.I.A and you have a nasty concoction?

Nomad Dan · Joined: 17 Feb 2003 Posts: 145 Location: Myanmar

I have been expecting an attempt at blowing up the Ras Tanura refinery and or taking a shot at the gas fields of Udhailiyah....I guess they don't find them very easy targets. Consider the fact that these installations are often guarded by muttawah....I know, I have had tea with them and watched them leave their posts to pray.
Nomad Dan