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Imminent Concern: Program Not Accommodating Or Legit Issue?
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Berek Halfhand



Joined: 19 Feb 2007
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you Mister Al Smile. While the remarks are sometimes blunt, it has helped me to see truly what my options are Razz. I really apprecaite everyones input, I will do so.
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upchuckles



Joined: 11 Jan 2007
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 5:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd rather pay my money.. do my time, and savor the photos on my mantel someday, then to go it alone and take the risk of getting exploited by some greedy Chinese recruiter, or school. I went through a company in the usa, and I learned alot from them. I'd do it again tomorrow.

But why for the love of god do people use Chinese recruiters I will never understand.. Any program that says they do this through the government is profit orientated, and usually run behind the scenes by the government officials who setup a proxy company. The officials use their clout to make the schools utilize the proxy company and pay fees to it.

Red apple, Green apple.. Its still an apple.. Eat the worm Beyatch!
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Berek Halfhand



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 5:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I probably wouldn't go through a Chinese recruiter either... I might as well just go over there. That's why I am interested in my current program.
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clark.w.griswald



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 5:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Berek Halfhand wrote:
I probably wouldn't go through a Chinese recruiter either... I might as well just go over there. That's why I am interested in my current program.


Berek while I would agree that you certainly do not need to pay anyone to help you find a teaching job in China, I don�t agree that programs that charge should automatically be discounted for that fact alone.

If you have the means to pay for the assistance, you get the assistance that you pay for, and having this service makes you feel more comfortable coming here then I can�t see any logical reason why you shouldn�t do that.

Just make sure that the placements that are being made are into legal positions. Check with past participants to ensure that what you are being told is indeed what happens. You mention that it is a USA program so check with your local authorities back there to see if any complaints have been lodged against that company. And finally get everything in writing. If it is a USA company then you stand a pretty good chance of being able to get your money back if things are misrepresented.

Personally I think that the attitude of the current provider that you are dealing with sucks and I would either ask for a different person in that company to help you out, or find another service provider.

Check out job boards to confirm that the terms and conditions that you are being offered are consistent with outside positions in the same area.

Finally, don�t take the posts with attitude too seriously. There are some members of this forum who appear quite bitter. I am not sure what their problem is but I don�t think that it is you.
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vikdk



Joined: 25 Jun 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 5:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Finally, don�t take the posts with attitude too seriously

Well thank goodness you did take them seriously - otherwise we'd be still on the subject of internet connections (after all you didn't seem to take much notice of Clark's first warning Wink)!!! Sometimes persuading someone that the advice being given is actually very good advice - needs a bit of blunt language!!!!
So all the best Berek - and I'm looking forward to that thank-you PM Laughing
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Berek Halfhand



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 5:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hehe, how about thank you here out in public since that is where we seem to like it ;P.

Thank you!
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jammish



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 7:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just remembered that a friend of mine did actually pay for his first placement in China. Thing is, he said that it was worth it, as before they sent him to Wuhan, they took him to Shanghai, and treated them all to a week staying at a 5 star hotel, eating first-class food for every meal, etc, and he reckoned that the cost of the week wouldn't have been much less than the fee.
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Berek Halfhand



Joined: 19 Feb 2007
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 7:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm getting the tour of the great wall and other places, train rides all over, meals and all that accomodated, training to learn Chinese and how to teach. So it just isn't going over and plot there I am in the school Razz.
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patsy



Joined: 07 Oct 2004
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Location: china

PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 10:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

what a riot! lol, You can go to the internet cafe for really cheap. I would expect some trouble dealing with the man who wrote that when you get to china though.
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lostinasia



Joined: 11 Apr 2007
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 12:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a tad amazing how verbally violent the forum can be and how how often things divert far from the original question.

That being said...a school/employer has no obligation to provide internet access. While the contact at your prospective employer seems to be a bit of a moron, suggesting that area has little or no high-speed internet access, he is right...adapt to the new society.

I just find it more disheartening that you admit to your possible future employer that you want to spend your free time playing online games - that would make me immediately toss your resume to the bottom of the trash pile. As it was briefly mentioned as well, online gaming is a "serious issue" in China with the government actually intervening, and so is a sensitive topic of sorts.

Gaming versus serious employment questions - that simply... well, enough said.

Just my opinion of course
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jammish



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's all very well, lostinasia, but the person is paying for the right to be in China. therefore he should expect a placement which provides at least some creature comforts.

My understanding always has been that because china pays quite low salaries, it should make up for that by providing decent ineternet access etc.
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Berek Halfhand



Joined: 19 Feb 2007
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lostinasia wrote:


I just find it more disheartening that you admit to your possible future employer that you want to spend your free time playing online games - that would make me immediately toss your resume to the bottom of the trash pile. As it was briefly mentioned as well, online gaming is a "serious issue" in China with the government actually intervening, and so is a sensitive topic of sorts.

Gaming versus serious employment questions - that simply... well, enough said.

Just my opinion of course


It's for my job, I actually get paid to play games. That isn't a crime and whatever biased he has, yes, I am paying for this damn program. Maybe they wont add it into the package, that's fine, but I need to get it some way...
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andrew_gz



Joined: 15 Feb 2005
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Location: Reborn in the PRC

PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lostinasia wrote, "a school/employer has no obligation to provide internet access."

Many contracts provide for at home internet access.
And if it is in the contract then they are obligated to provide it.
As they do for any other provision in said contract.
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in_asia_bill



Joined: 02 Mar 2006
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Berek Halfhand wrote:
It's for my job, I actually get paid to play games.


So what dude? Some guys in Holland actually get paid to test weed in coffee shops. Doesnt mean they can bring that job over to China.
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Berek Halfhand



Joined: 19 Feb 2007
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

in_asia_bill wrote:
Berek Halfhand wrote:
It's for my job, I actually get paid to play games.


So what dude? Some guys in Holland actually get paid to test weed in coffee shops. Doesnt mean they can bring that job over to China.


Well, the point is, is that I'm going over there on my whim and my demands. They have no right to ask why I need the Internet, so that shouldn't even come up for consideration. The Chinese might, and if that comes to pass, well, that's fine it's their country. But for the sake of the program or however I'm getting over there, its a very basic element that guy needs to understand. We'll see where it goes... this shouldn't be cause for any difficulties normally.
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