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Should I work outside the school my first year?

 
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ZiCheng



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 1:35 am    Post subject: Should I work outside the school my first year? Reply with quote

I'm not sure the topic made any sense, so let me explain.

I defintely want to get a job at a school, and I don't want to have to work very much, something like 20 hours max a week. My question is whether I can make more money by working at the school for say, 10-15 hours a week, and use the rest of the time to tutor for extra money. Does any one think this will be a good idea for a first timer?

Thanks.

ZiCheng
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coffeedrinker



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 8:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It really depends where you are and how reliable your outside students are. In my experience, one to one students - even those who are clients of schools and not individual teachers - cancel frequently. Schools may be able to enforce a "24 hour policy" (students still pay if they cancel with less than 24 hours notice) but this is much harder as an individual to enforce.

It might also take time to find private students - so when comparing the income you'd have to incorporate some time without that income.

All that said, if you can find students and if they attend regularly, five hours of private students would probably net you more than five hours of school classes.
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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also, ask the students to either pay in advance or the day of the lesson. Otherwise, they just simply may stop coming at the end of the month when they have to pay you.
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Jetgirly



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 5:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I charge my private students in advance and let them know that if they want to cancel they must give me twenty-four hours' notice. No exceptions. Their cancellation goes towards a future lesson - no refunds. I found that most of my private students were former school students (conflict of interest!). You might want to devote yourself entirely to school lessons at first, develop relationships with students and then wait for them to approach you about private lessons. I found that most of my in-school students wanted to go private instead of renewing through the school.
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tedkarma



Joined: 17 May 2004
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 6:14 am    Post subject: Re: Should I work outside the school my first year? Reply with quote

ZiCheng wrote:
I defintely want to get a job at a school, and I don't want to have to work very much, something like 20 hours max a week. My question is whether I can make more money by working at the school for say, 10-15 hours a week, and use the rest of the time to tutor for extra money. Does any one think this will be a good idea for a first timer?


To some degree the answer to your questions depends on what country you will be working in. In many countries the school is responsible for your work and residence visas and the cost of the visas and time consumed obtaining them mean they will want you on board full time. Not many companies will want to do all the paperwork and go through the expense just to have you working for them for only 10-15 hours per week.

In some countries your contract with your employer will specify that you do no outside work.

In some countries your work permit is tied specifically to your employer and you are not legally allowed to work for anyone other than your employer and often only at a specific location.

Now . . . whether you wish to work outside your contract and possibly illegally - that's a hot issue of debate on many forums. I have taught "on the side" in almost every country I have lived in, but that was a personal choice and I was quite aware of the consequences.

What I have said above is not true for EVERY country - but it is true for the four countries I have TEFLed in.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 10:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When you start working, you need a work visa, and in Japan that is for full-time work. That means roughly 25-30 hours per week in the classroom. A year or so later, you can string together part-time jobs and change your visa status from employer-sponsored to what is dubiously referred to by teachers as "self-sponsorship". As long as you can prove you make a certain minimum, immigration will continue to grant your visa. Private lessons do not count as provable income, but if you have enough coming in from PT employers, you can always continue the visa and supplement that with private work.

So, for a first-timer in Japan (if that's where you go), I'd say your hopes are not very realistic. Get your feet wet first. Establish yourself. Learn what it is you are doing. Also, learn where you can get the PT work and private lessons. Your first statement sounds pretty arrogant and makes you come off as a lazy person. Even after reading your explanation, it still sounds negative.
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