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Calories



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 10:59 am    Post subject: Why do I feel so terrible?! Reply with quote

I have this class and the boys in the back love to talk when I'm talking, when other students are talking and never do the work. I decided after enough warnings to have one of the boys stand at the front of the room as an example for his friends. After a few minutes, I told him he could sit back down as long as he was quiet. He wasn't quiet, so I made him come back to the front and told him and the rest of the class why. Now, this isn't the first time I've done something like this to a student and it works quite well, but the look of shame on this boys face when I made him stand up for the second time was so pathetic. Now I feel as if I did something wrong, when I know damn well I didn't.
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james s



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 2:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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william wallace



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 2:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My grade 3 teacher(a nun) locked me in a closet for the final class of the morning, and then forget to let me out to go home for lunch, I ended up in there for almost 2 hours.
Ms Clark(Gr. 4) used to dig her long nails into our necks.The same nun used to use a ruler to crack our knuckles.I guess it was a Catholic twist on turning the other cheek. Wink
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Sinobear



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Calories: Please peruse this site: http://www.disciplinehelp.com/teacher/list.cfm?cause=All


Do enjoy!


Cheers!
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danswayne



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

james s wrote:
I know damn well you did something wrong.


Are you a real teacher? I am in 3 or 4 different fields K - 12 stateside and I know many school teachers and parents who would disagree with you wholeheartedly. If you could only be a fly on the wall inside of some teachers workrooms and lucnhrooms.
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upchuckles



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spare the rod.. Spoil the child.. Good for you.. I use this tactic all the time.. I'm also sure that south korean lad who killed thirty people in Virgina Tech was likely paraded out in front of his peers on a number of occasion.. Keep doing it. For one, its amusing and makes the day go by faster and two - refer to number one.

by the way, I was paraded out in front of the class when I was young.. I will never forget it either.. It taught me a valuable lesson.. Wear pants to school next time..

James, its an easy read.. you have anger management issues.. and my bet is your student hate you.. I don't even know you and I do..
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eslstudies



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A simpler solution: don't let the talkative boys sit at the back! If you have the authority to humiliate, you certainly have the authority to arrange your own seating plan.
The only time I used "Chinese methods" was to say to my students,
"Which method do you prefer? That, or mine?"
"Yours" was the inevitable answer.
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mondrian



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

william wallace wrote:
My grade 3 teacher(a nun) locked me in a closet for the final class of the morning, and then forget to let me out to go home for lunch, I ended up in there for almost 2 hours.
Ms Clark(Gr. 4) used to dig her long nails into our necks.The same nun used to use a ruler to crack our knuckles.I guess it was a Catholic twist on turning the other cheek. :wink:


Ah! In the "good old days" when a spade was NOT an implement but a spade.
Why do I remember so much "useless" stuff that was beaten into me when at school? Because it WAS beaten into me. Does that make me a "better" person? I doubt it; but as a method of instilling some class discipline into me it was very effective. Has it scarred my persona for life? No. Mental humiliation - we would all have laughed at escaping the corporal punishment.
Ah! Those were the days!
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kev7161



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It seems even my young kids like to talk and play around when sitting in the back row. This month (April), I had the 5 or 6 who DO like to talk and whose grades are a bit lower than the others move to the front row. There I can look down and see when they're making mistakes and help them correct, can urge them not to slouch and look out the window, can compliment them on a job well done, and perhaps get them to participate more freely. I just turned in my grades for the month of April and all have improved dramatically over last month's grades - - anywhere from 5 to 15 percent!

Move the talkers/trouble makers to the front and you may see a world of difference.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 12:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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amatteu



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 1:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hi james et al

I have the same talkative, throwing, etcetc boys at the back. many warnings later and i have them come to the front of the class. this works a bit, but they either continue playing up while standing or sitting at a seperated seat - not at a desk, or continue once they can go back to their seat.

So, i kept the worst behind, and got a chinese teacher and told her of their behaviour. this worked a treat, but not permanently. at least now they know the ultimate punishment.

now i write their name on the board and keep them behind after letting class go. this is the best so far!
also the threat of telling the chinese teacher is additionally effective.

james, how do you control those boys (usually) who just wont behave? Do you punish them at all? how?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 1:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Ahchoo



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 1:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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North American teachers lose their jobs for the stunt you just admitted to!
More's the pity.
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You pulled a child to the front of the class and humiliated him in front of his peers, damaging his mentality for the future.

What utter PC nonsense.
I bet you're the type who thinks every child should get praise even if they haven't earned it. How are kids who are treated this way when they get in the real world?
There was teacher at an institution I worked at, a recent graduate.
I imagine she had teachers like James. Always upset because she wasn't getting 'recognition' for doing her job.
My attitude? Recognition? Just do your bloody job.
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johnchina



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 2:07 am    Post subject: none Reply with quote

Ahchoo wrote "I bet you're the type who thinks every child should get praise even if they haven't earned it."

This is precisely the problem. I discussed this with some Chinese colleagues just a few days ago when they reported that I wasn't giving my students enough "encouragement". My first question was "What do you mean by "encouragement"?" It turns out that the answer to this is "Telling the students that the answers are good or correct." My simple question was "What if the answer is incorrect or below the standard I expect?" Their reply was that I should still give them encouragement. "Do you mean that I should tell them the answer is correct even if it is wrong?" I asked with great apprehension. "Yes."

The next time you meet a Chinese person who says "I will go shopping yesterday", you can safely assume that they've been a school like mine.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 2:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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