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Cleopatra

Joined: 28 Jun 2003 Posts: 3657 Location: Tuamago Archipelago
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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Hmm.... 'native people'... 'animals'.
What makes me think that this person's true cultural home (to borrow a phrase) would be Pretoria circa 1975? |
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007

Joined: 30 Oct 2006 Posts: 2684 Location: UK/Veteran of the Magic Kingdom
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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I wonder if you can elaborate on these stories. I have heard of equally horrific stories about teachers beating the life out of kids. Bus drivers, male and female teachers of Arabic origins in particular seem to have a reputation of dealing with wild kids in the classroom. I spoke to one man, who as a child, spent an entire day hiding under the heat of a parked car on a hot summer day. He wanted to avoid his Egyptian teacher who was abusing the students on a daily basis. Although the victim admits to being wild while in school, I dont think it ever warrants violence and abuse from the teachers. Perhaps you can clarify if these things still happen? (I am keeping track of the seconds before 007 responds ) |
Do not worry Q of .Sheba, I have got a wireless internet alarm which warns me about any posting in this forum, and keep me updated about anything new!
About the Arab teachers, especially Egyptians, I think, still some of them beat their students, but they are a minority, and cannot be generalised. Also, sometimes you may use force to control some harsh students. But. Still relatively, in the Arab societies, the school still safer than the schools in America. Why? Because there are no drug, knife, and gun crimes as is happening, for examples, in USA/UK, which I see it more dangerous than a teacher beating his student, or a student making peaceful troubles in a class (compared to gun/knife crimes is nothing!).
The other thing which I noticed is that, the Arab students of this generations are less behaved compared to their counterpart 10-20 years ago, where the teacher was respected more than a father or big brother.
In our Islamic teaching there is a saying �I am a slave to he who taught me a letter�. But, unfortunately, these days, a lot of students do not practise this saying! |
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Stephen Jones
Joined: 21 Feb 2003 Posts: 4124
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 10:24 pm Post subject: |
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| The Arab students are boorish, loud, arrogant, and utterly disrespectful. The worst are Egyptians (big surprise there, huh?!), Lebanese, and Palestinians |
I taught at Manarat Riyadh for four years and the Egyptian students I had were lovely, as were the other Arabs and Pakistanis who formed the other half of the class.
But these were primary kids; at secondary level they could become a little stroppy, but still were generally no worse behaved than their counterparts in the UK.
On the other hand they stopped the experiment of sending English teachers over to the Saudi section, because they couldn't get used to the norm that the students only stayed still or in the classroom when they felt like it and there was no one to fight.
I suppose if you mixed Saudi students with expats, then the standard would be the lowest common denominator. I hadn't thought of that situation. |
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Van Norden
Joined: 23 Oct 2004 Posts: 409
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 6:49 am Post subject: |
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Sounds rough samsong. Are you going to stick it out? If so, I'd 2nd what trapezius said about not letting them use you for their 'sport.' Don't show them that they're getting the better of you (easier said than done, of course.)
Yeah we tease him a lot cause we've hot him on the spot, welcome back, welcome back, welcome back, welcome back.
I'd also suggest you compromise as much as possible; put up with things you might not put up with otherwise. Focus on making everything as easy for yourself as possible. Be a Private Dancer:
You keep your mind on the money / Keeping your eyes on the wall
(Riyals or Dollars, American Express will do nicely thank you.)
I've had horror classes before (pre KSA) and I know how it feels. It fucks up your whole life. |
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globalnomad2

Joined: 23 Jul 2005 Posts: 562
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 12:26 pm Post subject: |
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I taught enlisted recruits, not officers, at Raytheon, but I heard many horror stories about the officers, stories about the power struggle in class between the instructor, who was expected to deliver teacher-oriented lessons using the DLI (Defense Language Institute) materials, and a cadre of muttawahs and surly malcontents resentful of the whole business of learning English from Americans in order to learn American technology for their own defense. I can�t remember the litany of insults I was told about, except for one: �Your mother is *beep* because she not Muslim!�
That�s when the corridors would suddenly reverberate with a crash that sounded like an 80-millimeter howitzer, the sound of a teacher who couldn�t take it anymore, slamming his officers� classroom door behind him. At that point, the Saudi commander would normally diagnose the faculty member as �nervous teacher!� and reassign him to enlisted soldiers. Students, meanwhile, seemed perplexed and said �Oh, why angry, teacher?�
Raytheon was chicken-s*** and always sucked up to the Saudis, particularly since the latter were always behind in their payments. So Raytheon decided to edit the DLI textbooks in line with local sensibilities. This meant: (a) deleting all references to women soldiers, and (b) drawing mustaches on the illustrations of female American soldiers. Fortunately, the images in DLI texts were rather androgynous-looking drawings, not photos, so it was a simple matter to assign four or five teachers to the task. You knew you were encountering some innovative curriculum development when you joined a roomful of teachers being paid $54,000 tax-free to draw mustaches on women soldiers all day. |
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globalnomad2

Joined: 23 Jul 2005 Posts: 562
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 12:31 pm Post subject: |
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One day...
I�m substituting someone else�s class period and immediately feel my spine tingle and my neck hairs stand up. I sense a malevolent presence. What is it�an evil spirit? Not to worry; it�s just the resident muttawah, a pint-sized demon who keeps dismissing me with that contemptuous hand flick that says �Be gone, inferior being.� He also interrupts me throughout the period with voiced insults.
For some reason my Wahhabi immune system has sputtered out today and I�m mad as hell and I�m not going to take it anymore.
�F*****g muttahwah!� I spit through clenched teeth as the class period ends and the regular teacher enters the room.
The bell rings; the little muttawah-goblin grabs my arm and tries to pull me down the hall onto the sergeant�s office. He�s got a smirk on his face as if he knows for certain he�ll have me thrown onto the next plane out of the country. Now that would break my heart.
I wrench my arm free. �Get your hands off me, you son of a b****!� I roar, and everyone down two long, intersecting corridors hears me.
The bearded holy boy marches into the sergeant�s office where, presumably, he tells tales of gross disrespect to Islam worthy of beheading. But I never hear anything further of it. |
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globalnomad2

Joined: 23 Jul 2005 Posts: 562
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 12:39 pm Post subject: |
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The following, though incredible, really happened.
Back in the classroom one summer day when the temperature outside is 115 degrees and the window air conditioner sputters haphazardly in a room full of sweaty recruits who have just been marching around in the sun for an hour or two, discipline suffers. So do I. Think of what prison does to men and you can imagine what Saudi Arabia does to a motley huddle of boot camps with ninth-grade educations.
�So, again, shebab (lads), what�s a gerund? Good. It�s an ing-verb used as a noun. Abdullah, can you give me an example?
�Mr. (name deleted), showing us your bottom.�
�What?�
�We need see your bottom!�
I stand there holding my colored chalk (the Captain exhorts us to use colored chalk to promote lucid lessons) and I probably look like I�ve just swallowed it. Zip Johnson, world-renowned author and lecturer, mulled over the quickest way to get a cab to the airport. �Yes teacher! We need see your bottom! Because you beautiful man.�
�What the hell are you talking about?�
�Blease, teacher. Need see bottom!�
�Right�this is what your government pays me my salary for? To take my pants down and show you my butt? You need to get a life. Besides, I like girls. You know, in my country, most men like women.�
Mostly good-natured lads, this class, albeit perverted; they laugh appreciatively.
�No broblum, teacher, we don�t tell anybody, believe me,� says the ringleader.
�Hhmmm�maybe some other time.�
�Blease, Mr. (name deleted).�
�Need bottom!�
At the end of the period they all crowd around me as I attempt to make for the door and some of them give me gratuitously wet Arab-style cheek kisses before I can exit. Just then my old company leader, who is now in another class and is patrolling the halls, happens by and asks me how it�s going in my class�any problems?
I don�t know what he�s yelling after I tell him, but he puts the fear of Allah into the boys. They�re lucky I don�t write them up to the Captain, but I don�t think that option would be worth the trouble. The term is almost over and I won�t be seeing these lunkheads again anyway. |
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hakbs
Joined: 15 Apr 2007 Posts: 33 Location: Taipei vicinity
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 12:45 pm Post subject: Sorry! |
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Samsong,
Do a runner and move on with your life before you will end up in a mental hospital!
What's wrong with EIKAWA and Hogwon in Japan & Korea? At least they have a day off for teachers: May 15, TEACHER'S DAY! And they will give you tons of gifts.
Bail out when Saudis are taking a nap (13:00 to 16:00) or on a Friday early afternoon!! |
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Cleopatra

Joined: 28 Jun 2003 Posts: 3657 Location: Tuamago Archipelago
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 1:08 pm Post subject: |
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Hmm. Sounds like a few people around these parts.
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| the whole business of learning English from Americans in order to learn American technology for their own defense. |
Defense from whom?
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| Raytheon was chicken-s*** and always sucked up to the Saudis, particularly since the latter were always behind in their payments. |
But in any case, as an insignificant cog in the whole nasty 'defence' industry, you can at least be grateful that, unlike in some other Middle Eastern countries, the honour of using 'American technology' is at least being paid for by the Saudi government, and not by American taxpayers. Late payments are surely better than free hand-outs, no?
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| he�ll have me thrown onto the next plane out of the country. Now that would break my heart. |
Admittedly I could be wrong here, but I'd imagine there's no particular reason why you couldn't just make your own way to the airport. But I suppose some may get a bizzarre kick out of indulging in very odd fantasies about bearded men considering you significant enough to bother deporting. |
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globalnomad2

Joined: 23 Jul 2005 Posts: 562
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 3:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Batty Patty, I simply reported three true incidents. Take them as you like. |
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Cleopatra

Joined: 28 Jun 2003 Posts: 3657 Location: Tuamago Archipelago
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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When a poster is reduced to borrowing lame 'insults' from other posters, then you just know they're a few halalas short of a rial.
But then, anyone who read through that same poster's bizarre stream of consciousness above, will already have jumped to that conclusion. |
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Stephen Jones
Joined: 21 Feb 2003 Posts: 4124
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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| When a poster is reduced to borrowing lame 'insults' from other posters, then you just know they're a few halalas short of a rial. |
It is quite appropriate though.
BP and She Baa; sound like a couple of oil companies. Just need Loonraving to pop along to make the Triangle of Smug. |
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cmp45

Joined: 17 Aug 2004 Posts: 1475 Location: KSA
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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| I thought the stories were quite funny! |
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sheikh radlinrol
Joined: 30 Jan 2007 Posts: 1222 Location: Spain
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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| I thought the stories were quite funny! |
Quite funny? An understatement. If globalnomad2 has any more then he should share them with us. |
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Cleopatra

Joined: 28 Jun 2003 Posts: 3657 Location: Tuamago Archipelago
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Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 7:24 am Post subject: |
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And yet another post from Stephen with no other aim than to attack other posters. Oh well, just another dull poster who is far more interested in me than vice versa - I seem to have that effect on some of the men on this board.
But at least you managed to quote me correctly this time, I suppose you deserve praise for that.
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| BP and She Baa; sound like a couple of oil companies. Just need Loonraving to pop along to make the Triangle of Smug. |
Oh my word! Three whole 'names in one line! I can barely write these words for the laughter. Tell me, are you this sharp and witty in 'real' life? |
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