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taxes, questions about the 183 days

 
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kaox0018



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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2007 4:00 pm    Post subject: taxes, questions about the 183 days Reply with quote

So I was in Taiwan in March/April for two weeks and came back to the States in April. I'm planning on coming back to work but don't know how early I should get back. Does this visit count towards your 183 days or do you need to be in Taiwan continuously in order to get that tax return?
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dangerousapple



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PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2007 12:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just make sure you get back before July 1. That's the only date that really matters.
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MomCat



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PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2007 1:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You need to be on Taiwan for 183 days. Any 183 days. The two weeks you were here in March/April will count towards 2007. But, keep in mind that if you leave the island for a few days vacation or need to do a visa run, the days you're gone will be subtracted.
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LKJ



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PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2007 2:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kaox0018

I can assure you that MomCat is absolutely correct. You have to be in Taiwan for 183 days or more, somewhere between Jan 1st 2007 and Dec 31st 2007. Consecutive days or not - it makes no difference.

When you come to submitting your 2007 tax returns (in early 2008) you may be asked to show your passport - which is how they confirm if you were under or over the 183 day mark. Nowadays, the tax office probably also have a way of checking your dates with the department of immigration - although that does sound far too organised for Taiwan!

LKJ
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clark.w.griswald



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PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2007 11:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The calculation of days in country is done according to the entry and exit stamps in your passport. Provided that the days in country add up to 183 days or more then you are okay. If the days in country add up to less than this then you will forfeit the full 20% tax that you pay in the first year.
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atiff



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PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2007 5:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also, for those that are cutting it fine, the day you arrive does not count as a "day in Taiwan" for counting up to the magic number of 183.

Someone I know got caught out by that last year.
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AQUA MARINA



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PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2007 5:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I arrive August 8th and pay 20% taxes, will it be from August - December '07 , only 4 months for non refundable tax rebate?

Does the new tax year start from January till December 2008 that will count towards my 183 days for a rebate?
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BigWally



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PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2007 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tax yr starts jan 1
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clark.w.griswald



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PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2007 11:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

According to the director of the tax bureau in Taipei (straight from the horses mouth) you should only be paying 20% in the first place if you will not meet the 183 days in country before December 31st. So if you arrive at a date early enough to meet the 183 days in country rule then you should never actually pay 20%.

Of course we all know that most schools will deduct 20% regardless and if you happen to exceed the 183 days then you get most of that back again when you do your taxes the following year.

AQUA MARINA wrote:
If I arrive August 8th and pay 20% taxes, will it be from August - December '07 , only 4 months for non refundable tax rebate?


Yes.

AQUA MARINA wrote:
Does the new tax year start from January till December 2008 that will count towards my 183 days for a rebate?


From January 1st onwards one of two things will happen:

a) the school will realize that you will be in Taiwan for longer than 183 days in that financial year (Jan 1 to Dec 31) so they will drop down the tax rate to 6-10% depending upon how much you are earning, or

b) the school will continue to take 20% from your wages until you reach 183 days from your arrival in country, afterwhich they will drop down to the correct tax payment. Anything you paid before December 31st will not be refunded as you didn't reach the 183 days in that financial year. Anything you pay over the standard tax rate in the second year will be partially refunded as you will exceed the 183 days in that year.

So as most things in Taiwan there are different ways of achieving an objective.

NB: I actually argued this point with the director there a while back as this 20% thing really makes no sense to me if you follow the tax bureaus logic. I accept the 20% rule for short term residents but I don't see why it should be tied to the financial year calendar. The idea that you have to time your arrival in country such that the last six months of the year are off limits, to me seems kind of silly. People who are here long term (more than 183 days) should be entitled to the benefits regardless of the financial year in my opinion.
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thewileycoyote



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PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2007 2:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Countries use the 183 days to determine residency for taxes. It's the same is Canada and a lot of other countries and probably has a lot to do with tax treaties.
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kaox0018



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i am assuming that any days that i left for another country does not count towards the 183 mark?
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clark.w.griswald



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 4:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kaox0018 wrote:
i am assuming that any days that i left for another country does not count towards the 183 mark?


Thats correct - days out of the country are not counted.

This is why the count is done according to the entry and exit stamps in your passport.
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globalgourmand



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 8:14 pm    Post subject: OH WOW Reply with quote

I am finally clear on the tax process if I arrive in August and stay for at least one year! THANK YOU to clark.w.griswald!!

If you arrive less than 6 months (183 days exact) before the end of the tax year, you will pay a 20% tax rate and it will not be refunded for that time worked before the new tax year.

After that new tax year (Jan.1) any new income will either be taxed at 20% and then later refunded when you file, or you will be taxed at the new rate from then on.
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twiddle_dee



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 5:25 pm    Post subject: tax time Reply with quote

you must be in the counrty for 183 days during the tax year. For a good review of the tax laws check out this page: http://www.glowfishtw.com/taxes.asp
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