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Advice on purchasing a computer in Japan
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canuck



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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2007 12:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Musouka wrote:
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I think Vista allows users to toggle between a Japanese OS and an English OS (like Mac), but I'm not entirely sure. I have heard that Vista requires a lot more operating power and some of the older computer have had trouble running it (something you might want to consider). I'll be buying a Notebook next month and I don't know if I even want to bother with Vista... I've had no complaints with XP.


Is this really true? I have a mac right now and can easily change the whole OS to Japanese. The only thing is it is a Power PC and can't run most applications (aka games). If Vista is like the Mac OS, then that would be great! I'm still looking into the situation but my Japanese reading level is definately not at Level 2. I'll want to buy a high end PC. I will definately be upgrading to Vista too, so if anyone knows any details on this, that would be great. Does anyone know any specific brands too look for? I know all about American brands but I'm rather clueless when it comes to choosing a well made computer in Japan.


I believe it's true if you purchase the highest level Vista only, which is Vista Ultimate. Please double check for accuracy, but that is what I was told from the computer salesman when I was with a friend who recently purchased a laptop with a Japanese Vista OS. He purchased another copy of English Windows XP Home. It took an extra 3 days. He purchased his computer at Prime PC in Den-Den Town in Osaka.
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codedals



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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2007 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

canuck wrote:
codedals wrote:
1.Buy a cheap pc
2. wipe hdd (or partition it...keep the Japanese OS for practice)
3. install linux (ubuntu is all the rage now, but I suggest Gentoo--if you're up for the challenge)

and presto -- an OS in English


This is a bad idea if you buy a cheaper computer where the built-in OS is on a recovery disk, not a separate disk (which is most often the case these days.) This is because there is often a hidden partition. If you do format this, and try for a fresh install, would will need to know specific information about your hardware to get it working properly. This isn't easy for most people.





You're right, this isn't easy for most people. But there are tons of excellent tutorials out there (hope you don't mind browsing through the command line). The Ubuntu installer pretty much holds your hand the entire way.
Despite whether or not the original OS is ?hidden? or set on a recovery disk, if you boot with a Finnix LiveCD, you can clean and partition the hdd in less than a minute. Of course, you'd lose the Japanese OS, but eh, dual boot Vine Linux (its a proprietary Japanese linux) or something similar.
The reason I recommended a cheap PC, is because most Linux distros aren't as resource intensive as Windows, so you won't need much power. But it seems the OP is a PC gamer and has a few bucks...so buy a MacBook Pro (get Bootcamp)...and the problem is solved before its created.
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J.



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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2007 10:52 pm    Post subject: I've done it with XP home Reply with quote

on a NEC Valuestar. There were a few glitches with the English OS. I had to replace the Japanese system with windows as I didn't have a partition program. The "recovery disc" is on a partition of around 5 and a half GB. That's no problem except it is using up that memory. It's easy to see what partitions you have and how much memory they are using: Just click "My Computer" and then right click each "drive"( they will be lettered A, B, C, D, etc.)

When you install the English Windows you have the option of which drive to put in on. If you have partitioned your computer you can put it on the new partition if you want to keep the Japanese OS, but that option may use up quite a bit of memory. However if you do like I did and install the English over the Japanese "wiping it out", it may actually not be really wiped out at all and sitting there using memory. I had to manually delete a lot of Japanese software, and probably didn't get it all. I ran out of memory pretty quick, so I put in another memory card and that fixed all the problems.

However you will need to replace the Japanese software with English software. You won't need to buy much. There are a lot of good free programs out there, including OpenOffice, Avast anti-virus, ZoneAlarm firewall, Picasa photo editor, and the Firefox Browser (with Foxit PDF reader). One place to check for them is PC magazine, online. They test and rate the programs.

You may have to hunt up additional drivers, though. When I changed to English OS I had no sound. I had to find an appropriate driver on the net. Likewise for my graphics card, keyboard and a few more things. If you aren't patient, I say don't try it. But if you are you can learn a lot.

I use a Japanese computer at work with an English Firefox browser and Open Office installed, but I have to say the popup messages are a real pain, and with Windows one thing is guaranteed, they are endless.

I would love to have installed Ubuntu or a Linux-based OS because of the lack of virus-related maintenance. Someday I will get around to it, but probably may buy a Mac before that. When I get a second computer then I will really feel free to play around with this one. Smile

Good luck!
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JU!



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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2007 11:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have this same decision to make soon as well. My plan is to buy a European Laptop and if I need a Japanese OS buy Japanese Vista etc in Japan. As stated before in post by other people, it could cause more probs than it's worth if it gets an error etc. I was using my friends Japanese laptop recently and it was hard for me to navigate sometimes, because of the large amounts of Kanji involved.
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JimDunlop2



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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2007 4:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

codedals wrote:
Despite whether or not the original OS is ?hidden? or set on a recovery disk, if you boot with a Finnix LiveCD, you can clean and partition the hdd in less than a minute. Of course, you'd lose the Japanese OS, but eh, dual boot Vine Linux (its a proprietary Japanese linux) or something similar.


Finnix? What the hell is Finnix? Laughing Nevermind, that was a rhetorical question. But I did have to Google search it to find out it was a small Debian Linux distro. Why wouldn't you be able to use Ubuntu for everything??

As for Gentoo.... What's the draw behind it? Why would you choose it over Ubuntu or Red Hat?

Also, for Japanese support, there IS a Japanese-edition Knoppix...

Never knew about Vine Linux till I read your post.... What's it based on?

I have been wanting to switch to Linux myself -- (I will NEVER use Vista)... But I want something that's widely accepted in the way of software ports and drivers... Hence my liking for Ubuntu. As long as I can get decent multi-lingual support under Ubuntu, (i.e. being able to read/write in Japanese and East European languages) I really have no other need to move to an exclusively Japanese-edition Linux.

Self-edit: I also just noticed another Japanese-specific Linux distro: Momonga. But again, I know nothing about it.
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