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clark.w.griswald
Joined: 06 Dec 2004
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| OGFT wrote: |
| I think this is the problem with your advice. You rely on what you read rather than what is practical. |
Actually I base my opinions upon what I read and my own personal experiences. I think that this is rather quite the normal way to develop an opinion on any topic and am sure that you do the same. So I am curious as to why you seem to feel that your experience or knowledge here is somehow superior especially when it is as odds with logic and the information at hand!
What I don�t do is state something as being a certain fact unless I know it to be the case, so for example I wouldn�t tend to jump in with both feet claiming something to be the case unless I had the facts to back that up. Perhaps you could learn from that!.
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| Yes, I think by taking your advice the FT will place himself at odds with the management of the school and be seen as difficult. |
We are not getting anywhere on this particular point but once again I fail to see how a request automatically becomes a dispute. You keep using the word demand but it is not clear to me why you won�t acknowledge that it is a request! I am sure that most of us have made reasonable requests of our schools without any ill-feelings, and I am equally sure that some individuals can turn a simple request into an incident. Request does not have to equal dispute � it all depends upon how you handle things.
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| For what. So he can assert a so called right, that no one, especially you, can ascertain for certain. |
I disagree on this. Quite clearly it is expected that the FEC will be held by the foreign teacher � whether he or she uses it or not.
From this very thread if we look at the quote that HFG kindly provided it makes specific reference to the foreign teacher handing the FEC back to the school when they leave that school. Logically to hand it back the teacher must have had it in his or her possession in the first place! So the regulations are clearly acknowledging that the FEC is in the hands of the foreign teacher. If, as you suggest, it was the schools property and the foreign teacher had no rights to it then the regulations would not even acknowledge the fact that the foreign teacher could possibly have it in his or her possession would they?
I repeat my earlier sentiments. If you, or anyone else here, chooses not to take into possession the FEC then that is your right and I don�t disagree that you may never need it. It is a fact that foreign teachers are sometimes required to produce the FEC and it seems to me that as you are the one the document is issued for that it would be more practical for you to hold it than to have to borrow it from the school should you find that you need it. Add to that the problems that could potentially arise if the school is allowed to hold it, and it becomes clear to me that if you can request it from your school then you probably should do so. There is no need to get into WW3 about it however.
HFG, I am genuinely sorry to hear that something I posted on this board may have caused you hardship. I only post what I personally believe to be accurate and I generally preface my assumptions as being such. As such my advice is given with the best of intentions, however opinions from anyone should be taken with a grain of salt I suppose, and I would encourage everyone to do their own research as at the end of the day the buck stops with you!
HFG I invite you to post about the experience that you refer to and the advice that you believe I gave that was bad. Probably not in this thread but in one of your own. I would like to know what the problem was and if you are correct in that it was indeed bad advice then it is probably best that everyone knows this. If I agree that it was indeed bad advice then I will certainly state as much in that thread!
As far as this thread goes however I would like to see an answer to my earlier question about what grounds you used in getting your FEC from the school that you mention you had a dispute with. |
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OGFT
Joined: 24 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 8:51 am Post subject: |
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Bad advice.
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| Quite clearly it is expected that the FEC will be held by the foreign teacher � whether he or she uses it or not. |
Only in your world is this clear and who is doing the expecting.
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| Add to that the problems that could potentially arise if the school is allowed to hold it, |
What problems would that be.
There are many conflicts that can happen between an FT and his employer. I your school wants to hold it, why get in a conflict. You will never use it except for money exchange and then only if your school has made arrangements. |
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eslstudies
Joined: 17 Dec 2006
Posts: 1061
Location: East of Aden
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| Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 9:05 am Post subject: |
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| OGFT wrote: |
| You will never use it except for money exchange and then only if your school has made arrangements. |
Believe it or not, if your school does the legal thing and provides tax receipts, you don't need their "arrangements" to do your own currency exchange: Legal exchange, that is. However, you definitely need your FEC. |
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Teatime of Soul
Joined: 12 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 12:41 pm Post subject: |
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The FEC belongs to China govt.
It's not your property ands it doesn't belong to the school either.
You are supposed to keep it until you leave the school.
Your school is required to return it to the PSB when you depart.
So Yes, you are required to surrender it UPON DEPARTURE.
I believe the back cover even states in English you are required to have the card for identification purposes.
So to answer the OP, don not surrender your FEC unless you are departing the school. This is a control game, that is all.
Your school is merely a conduit for the issuance of the document and it's return - nothing more. |
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