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Another Guy



Joined: 16 Apr 2007
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PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2007 2:13 am    Post subject: Cheap private accomodations Reply with quote

Hi again everyone

I've been considering working for interac but the most distressing part of their offer is the lack of arranged housing.

I've been looking at leopalace as a potential option but all but the cheapest of rooms (which I may not necessarily be able to obtain with my placement) are out of my price range of paying no more then 70000 yen per month.

Now I'm not very picky about the size of my room, as long as I don't have to share a bathroom like a gaijin house and my room is as bug free as possible I'm a happy camper.

So for a person who's only looking to stay for a year, doesn't want to pay key money or have roommates. Is it even possible to find arrangements cheaper then leopalace that allow for internet access?

I realize that's a pretty long list of demands so I just want to know if not working for an eikaiwa is going to mean at least 50% more in rent.

P.S. I did try to search but I couldn't find much about private housing
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markle



Joined: 17 Jan 2003
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Location: Out of Japan

PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2007 4:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The key is location.
If you are in any of the major cities, 70 000 sounds pretty good.

I think it is possible but difficult. Internet access is usually a separate issue.
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JimDunlop2



Joined: 31 Jan 2003
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Location: Japan

PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2007 4:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, living in a major city definitely has the price of rent as a major disadvantage.

Comparatively speaking, I live in a city of about 200,000 people and approx. 3 hours (by car) from Tokyo... I live within a 10-minute walk from downtown (and the main train station)... There are apartments next door to me for 30,000 (for a two-story "3K" unit).

The only problem is -- finding a lucrative job in the city where I live... There's not much to be had.... Doesn't do a person much good to have a place to live but not be able to pay for it. I DO know, however, that even at this distance, there are a fair number of people who actually commute to/from Tokyo if not each day, several times a week.
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southofreality



Joined: 12 Feb 2007
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Location: Tokyo

PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2007 5:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interac doesn't arrange housing anymore? They used to have a person who helped incoming ALTs find cheap housing. Yeah, you have to pay some up-front costs, but you might not have to pay key money. When I worked for them, I just paid a deposit plus the first month's rent. I got about 70% of that deposit back when I moved out of the apartment. Of course, your experience may be different.

But, if you're just going to be here for one year, and you don't necessarily have your heart set on being an ALT, go with one of the big 4 eikaiwa companies. At least you won't have to worry about the housing issue.
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chirp



Joined: 03 Dec 2005
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PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2007 11:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

To the OP,

Where is your placement? Are you in Japan now? I might understand Interac not helping you if you are already here. If you outside of Japan, umm, I have friends who started with Interac in April and had accommodation "choices" presented to them.

As for Leopalace, again - in what city?? Be careful, internet does not come with all Leopalace apartments.
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Glenski



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN

PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2007 12:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interac's web site says they serve as apartment guarantor and help you to find a suitable place. Those are the next best things to having a warm furnished place ready for you, so don't complain too loudly.

Most places will require key money, so again, don't complain. Just hope that Interac can help you to find a rare one that doesn't ask for it. Ask around, too. Perhaps other foreigners in the area know of a good realtor.

If 70,000 is the limit of your price range, that's about what most NOVA teachers pay to share an apartment (including utilities). You are pretty much in the middle of average price ranges. Closer to the city center you won't get much. Even in the suburbs that price won't get you much, so be happy if it's near a train/subway line and is relatively clean. You're going to have to furnish it from scratch all by yourself, as you probably know, so get one that's low maintenance. Find the secondhand and recycle shops, and get ready for dumpster diving.

Want Internet access? All you need is a phone line, and you can rent that instead of buying it. Cheaper.

LeoPalace gets raves, but people often forget that you have to pay for the entire length of your stay up front, be that a month, 6 months, or a year. Plus cleaning deposit. So, LP is not exactly a dream come true just because it's furnished and doesn't require a guarantor.
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kitano



Joined: 18 Nov 2004
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PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2007 1:42 pm    Post subject: Apartments Reply with quote

70 000 should be tons if you want a normal Japanese apartment. Why don't you try the agencies like Mini Mini or Able or whatever is in your area? If you don't speak any Japanese you might need a friend but try a couple agencies and one of the agents will be cool and will give you good information. They have tons of listings with a huge variety of conditions. If your company is willing to act as a guarantor it should be smooth sailing.
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Another Guy



Joined: 16 Apr 2007
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PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2007 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

chirp wrote:
To the OP,

Where is your placement? Are you in Japan now? I might understand Interac not helping you if you are already here. If you outside of Japan, umm, I have friends who started with Interac in April and had accommodation "choices" presented to them.

As for Leopalace, again - in what city?? Be careful, internet does not come with all Leopalace apartments.


Oh I haven't been placed anywhere yet and am still at the second stage of the screening process, I do however want to be able to give informed opinions about the accomodations I want to obtain and what I can reasonably expect to obtain.

As for not arranged, I apologize for being misleading, what I meant was that the recruiter told me potential housing can range greatly as opposed to the very fixed nature of the housing for the major eikaiwa.

I don't want to rock the boat but I'm going to have to insist on housing without key money if I'm offered a contract. If anyone has done the same with interac before I'd love to hear your opinions.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2007 10:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I don't want to rock the boat but I'm going to have to insist on housing without key money if I'm offered a contract.
Being aggressive with an employer who has not even hired you in Japan is not a good way to start. Most Japanese people would like to have an apartment without key money. Good luck anyway.
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Another Guy



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PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2007 3:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
Being aggressive with an employer who has not even hired you in Japan is not a good way to start. Most Japanese people would like to have an apartment without key money. Good luck anyway.


Hmn, I didn't realize that most Japanese still had to pay key money, I figured it was something to take advantage of foreigners. It'll definitely hurt my chances to insist on minimizing my housing costs; but I can't personally justify paying more then a few hundred dollars that I will never get back. I figure I may as well be honest that I have no interest going to Japan if its under those circumstances and excuse myself for others willing to make that sacrifice.

It does make eikaiwa or Korea seem far more appealing but I guess I'll have to weigh the pros and cons.
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Khyron



Joined: 10 Mar 2006
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Location: Tokyo Metro City

PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2007 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another Guy wrote:
Glenski wrote:
Being aggressive with an employer who has not even hired you in Japan is not a good way to start. Most Japanese people would like to have an apartment without key money. Good luck anyway.


Hmn, I didn't realize that most Japanese still had to pay key money, I figured it was something to take advantage of foreigners. It'll definitely hurt my chances to insist on minimizing my housing costs; but I can't personally justify paying more then a few hundred dollars that I will never get back. I figure I may as well be honest that I have no interest going to Japan if its under those circumstances and excuse myself for others willing to make that sacrifice.

It does make eikaiwa or Korea seem far more appealing but I guess I'll have to weigh the pros and cons.
Korea really is not so appealing after seeing how foreigners are often treated there! The joke of a visa situation there makes it a bad place to work. That's coming from someone who worked in Korea for a year and really did enjoy himself.

As for rent in Japan for under 70,000 yen a month, with little or no key money, it's definitely possible!!! I live 8 minutes from a station in the Tokyo suburbs (20 minutes from Ikebukuro, 30 minutes from Shinjuku), and I'm paying 47,000 a month. I didn't have to pay key money, but I did pay a couple months deposit (refundable) plus a month rent to the real estate agent (non-refundable). I have seen rare places advertised that involve no deposit, so do not give up hope on a good deal!

I went through this site: http://www.kimiwillbe.com/aptrec.htm. I had no problems at all with the staff, as they're used to dealing with foreigners. The girl I dealt with was nearly fluent in English. If you have a job that you can use as a guarantor, then you're laughing.

Book yourself up in a guest house for a few weeks, and make a few e-mail inquiries to the site I gave you. You shouldn't have to spend too long in a guest house, since you should be able to get into a private apartment in a matter of weeks, especially if you have a guarantor and enough money to pay for a few months deposit and furnishings if needed (expect to lose at least one months rent as a realty fee). Some apartments do come equipped with internet connections pre-installed, but don't expect it. Yahoo Broadband has English service, so look it up. Also, some apartments ARE furnished or partly furnished. If not, check out the listings on japan-guide.com and gaijinpot.com. You can buy everything you need used that way. Add on around 5,000-15,000 yen for shipping. I advice buying all or most of your big stuff from one source, so you don't have to pay shipping costs more than once!!!

Hope this helps!


Please note that the real estate site only directly applies to Tokyo (specifically, the Yamanote loop, western Tokyo, and the Saitama suburbs).
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