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hentaigaijin
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| OP, taikibansei is just bringing up relevant points to consider when you go to get a job based on his experience of being on search committees. Unfortunately, his example of a candidate he had to fight for (the one with a distance PhD) highlights the problem you may have with any degree that is viewed with suspicion. Remember that a well qualified candidate got the job because someone fought for him. Many candidates may not have that plus in their favor or may have someone who likes them, but that person on the committee may not have so much influence or persuasive power. |
i know, that's what i'm worried about. still, i intend to do a masters here in any case.
so it remains: (a) japanese - maybe OR (b) tefl OR (c) thai studies |
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canuck
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| Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 1:11 pm Post subject: |
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| hentaigaijin wrote: |
(3) it would be a comparative breeze for anyone, anywhere - it's tefl my friend. aka "bullsh*t packaged as academic fodder".
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The attitude every university is looking for in prospective employees. Good luck. 
Your true colours shining through!
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hentaigaijin
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| Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 1:16 pm Post subject: |
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| canuck wrote: |
| hentaigaijin wrote: |
(3) it would be a comparative breeze for anyone, anywhere - it's tefl my friend. aka "bullsh*t packaged as academic fodder".
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The attitude every university is looking for in prospective employees. Good luck.
Your true colours shining through!
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i'll do just fine don't you worry about that. i hardly need your blessing.
next time i'm writing a paper on "the role of songs in the esl classroom" i'll be sure to give you a mention.
(and i have many colours; some of which you don't see.) |
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markle
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OK I hope I can put this 'argument' to rest.
I am familiar with Chula, had friends (Thais) who were students there. Had friends who were Thai English teachers/lecturers that graduated from there (most of whom went OS to get their 'real' post grad degrees). No one in their right mind would take a NS who did their MEd App Ling there seriously. Forget about Japanese I doubt Chula would hire a NS with a Chula degree.
Taikibansei is absolutely on the money, arguing with him only reinforces your ignorance.
Chula is a good University and the Thai language programs are first rate. But the 'international' programs are a simple money making scheme taking advantage of suckers like h-gaijin. I did Asian Studies, take a MA Thai Studies degree from Chula international program, to any western University for a job and they would ask if you have anything better.
H-gaijin, you want to be taken seriously but you are making choices regarding degrees based on 'convenience' and your own imagining of how things should be. Tkbsei is giving you the reality.
BTW those hot Chula babes won't touch you with a ten foot barge pole unless you drive a beemer or a benz. |
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hentaigaijin
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| Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 3:22 pm Post subject: |
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| markle wrote: |
I am familiar with Chula, had friends (Thais) who were students there. Had friends who were Thai English teachers/lecturers that graduated from there (most of whom went OS to get their 'real' post grad degrees). No one in their right mind would take a NS who did their MEd App Ling there seriously. Forget about Japanese I doubt Chula would hire a NS with a Chula degree.
Taikibansei is absolutely on the money, arguing with him only reinforces your ignorance. |
no, it means i'm not convinced yet. sorry if i know my own mind.
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| Chula is a good University and the Thai language programs are first rate. But the 'international' programs are a simple money making scheme taking advantage of suckers like h-gaijin. |
so now you're an expert on chulalongkorn university. education everywhere is a money-making scheme.
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| I did Asian Studies, take a MA Thai Studies degree from Chula international program, to any western University for a job and they would ask if you have anything better. |
i wouldn't be going for a job based on a masters in thai studies, dipsh*t.
where do you think the top 3 places to do thai studies are anyway? i'll wager chula is one of them and i'm not overly concerned about whether or not thai studies fits perfectly with my career plans. it could be intellectually rewarding. if you don't see the value of it, i'd say that's your problem.
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| H-gaijin, you want to be taken seriously but you are making choices regarding degrees based on 'convenience' and your own imagining of how things should be. Tkbsei is giving you the reality. |
yes, that's right. i'm not saying "i want to study at the best university in the world", i'm saying i want to study at the best university in thailand - that is my starting point.
as for people not taking chula degrees seriously in thailand, i think you'll find the reverse is true. even if they prefer os postgrad degrees, going to chula is very much a badge of honour and opens doors (in thailand).
if i deem med tefl from chula to be a waste of time then i will do something else with my time/ money. like ma thai studies, for example.
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| BTW those hot Chula babes won't touch you with a ten foot barge pole unless you drive a beemer or a benz. |
well i've got a big d*ck. that's also handy.
i will continue with my research. i will enquire as to the career destinations of the med tefl graduates and i will also contact soas to see what they think of the ma thai studies degree. that should put the matter to bed. |
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fat_chris
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| Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 10:09 pm Post subject: Thai Studies? |
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YAWN!
OK, this thread has become quite tiresome...
NEXT!
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markle
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| Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 1:29 am Post subject: |
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| hentaigaijin wrote: |
| sorry if i know my own mind. |
We know your mind also - it seems a bit feeble
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| i wouldn't be going for a job based on a masters in thai studies, dipsh*t. |
Why else would you get one? Just to have the piece of paper? Even as a jumping board to getting a PhD it would be pretty shaky.
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| where do you think the top 3 places to do thai studies are anyway? i'll wager chula is one of them |
Cornell, U of C (not sure which one) ANU, SOARS... hell I doubt Chula would get into the top 30.
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| and i'm not overly concerned about whether or not thai studies fits perfectly with my career plans. it could be intellectually rewarding. |
I doubt it, but you might have a lower standard than the rest of us.
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| as for people not taking chula degrees seriously in thailand, i think you'll find the reverse is true. even if they prefer os postgrad degrees, going to chula is very much a badge of honour and opens doors (in thailand). |
For Thais, they've gone through the process of taking the entrance exam, joined the various student associations, made friendships which they take with them into the outside world. A random falang in the International Studies department is outside that process so the Chula 'badge of honour" (is this guy f'kn' serious?) is not applicable.
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| well i've got a big d*ck. |
Unfortunately it's on your shoulders
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| i will also contact soas to see what they think of the ma thai studies degree. |
Please tell us how hard they laugh at you. |
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Chris21
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| Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 1:50 am Post subject: |
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Hentaigaijin,
Whether Chula is a top university is not the point. Your original question was how an MA from Chula would be perceived by hiring committees in Japan. I think there has been a lot of useful information passed your way by a number of posters. Yet you seem unwilling to accept it. If you're not going to listen to the helpful info that others have given you, then there's no point to this thread.
Good luck. Maybe you'll prove to everyone, who've tried to warn you, that a degree from Chula is just as good as Oxford or UCLA. However, if you don't, I hope you're not surprised. |
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canuck
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| Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 2:20 am Post subject: |
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Hentaigaijin,
Whether Chula is a top university is not the point. Your original question was how an MA from Chula would be perceived by hiring committees in Japan. I think there has been a lot of useful information passed your way by a number of posters. Yet you seem unwilling to accept it. If you're not going to listen to the helpful info that others have given you, then there's no point to this thread. |
Chris21, it doesn't matter. It all comes down to this.
| hentaigaijin wrote: |
(3) it would be a comparative breeze for anyone, anywhere - it's tefl my friend. aka "bullsh*t packaged as academic fodder".
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Gordon
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"The way of a fool seems right to him, but a wise man listens to advice".
Proverbs 12:15 |
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Chris21
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| Hypnotic eye-rolling and biblical quotes... I love it! |
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door3344
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I don't see what all the fuss is about. Let's be honest, it's a glorified TESL certificate regardless of where you get it and has limited applicability outside of non English speaking countries. I doubt any of them would be highly regarded by western academia considering the admission requirements and course content aren't nearly as stringent as most other graduate or professional programs.
So ultimately, whats the difference? |
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gaijinalways
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| Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 2:57 pm Post subject: |
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| I disagree, it depends on the program, but certainly one in Thailand might not be held in high a light as the TESL program in Birmingham, England. |
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hentaigaijin
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| Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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| door3344 wrote: |
I don't see what all the fuss is about. Let's be honest, it's a glorified TESL certificate regardless of where you get it and has limited applicability outside of non English speaking countries. I doubt any of them would be highly regarded by western academia considering the admission requirements and course content aren't nearly as stringent as most other graduate or professional programs.
So ultimately, whats the difference? |
the japanese may well dismiss it out of hand.
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hentaigaijin
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| Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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| i will also contact soas to see what they think of the ma thai studies degree. |
Please tell us how hard they laugh at you. |
this is what they said:
i am afraid i find it difficult to comment other than
to say that chula is the most respected university in
thailand. i am afraid i don't know the programme well
and in any case would be unwilling to comment on the
programme of another institution. i suggest you might
seek an opinion from my colleague dr XXX
who is a former lecturer from chula and who has, i
believe, taught on the programme about which you
enquire. i have taken the liberty of copying your
email to him with this reply. |
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