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Japan with my significant other.. or so I thought. Advice?

 
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Noxness



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PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2007 1:44 pm    Post subject: Japan with my significant other.. or so I thought. Advice? Reply with quote

Hello, I am new to the forums (perhaps I should frequent the noob section), however I have a situation and question(s) pertaining to Japan.

Recently my boyfriend and I applied to Nova Group, with the intent to go to Japan together. This was an excellent fool proof plan in our naive minds until I was extended an offer of employment and he wasn't.

Let me expand on this situation: As of June/07 I will have a complete Bachelors, while he, in his second year of College dropped out because of various circumstances. He got into the groove of working (saving money to go back) and fully intends to return to school, but he does have a full 12 years of education which is ALL Nova requires to work with them "part-time" or "flexi-schedule".

I should stress that we are not some young infatuated couple, we have been together for four years, and I am pretty sure we are considered common law because we have been living together for about 3 years.

I guess at this point I am panicking.. When they called me to extend the offer of employment they told me that his application was still forthcoming, because my bf was having difficulty acquiring his transcripts. He sends them off and we get this small envelope in the mail saying "nope! Sorry, you aren't good enough".

So what is my point? What the hell are we going to do??? I know that there are options for us, ie. him acquiring a work vacation visa and coming to Japan anyway.. but as I am sure you all know, Nova will almost completely divorce itself from my individual situation if I decide to acquire a place of residence outside of it's company..

Any suggestions?
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southofreality



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PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2007 1:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Japan with my significant other.. or so I thought. Advic Reply with quote

Noxness wrote:
. but as I am sure you all know, Nova will almost completely divorce itself from my individual situation if I decide to acquire a place of residence outside of it's company..


Not sure what you mean exactly, and forgive me if I missed an obvious point, but lots of people seek housing other than what NOVA offers and don't lose their jobs because of it. If you just meant that NOVA won't help you secure your own non-NOVA accomodation, you're right.

You can always stay at the NOVA place for a bit and then find a place for you and your partner after you've saved some money and found a place you can get into.
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Noxness



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PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2007 1:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Japan with my significant other.. or so I thought. Advic Reply with quote

southofreality wrote:
Noxness wrote:
. but as I am sure you all know, Nova will almost completely divorce itself from my individual situation if I decide to acquire a place of residence outside of it's company..


Not sure what you mean exactly, and forgive me if I missed an obvious point, but lots of people seek housing other than what NOVA offers and don't lose their jobs because of it. If you just meant that NOVA won't help you secure your own non-NOVA accomodation, you're right.

You can always stay at the NOVA place for a bit and then find a place for you and your partner after you've saved some money and found a place you can get into.


Sorrry for the confusion. That is exactly what I meant.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2007 1:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The NOVA web page says this about qualifications:
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You must have completed 12 years of school education in the language you wish to teach.

For all positions you'll need to have, or be expecting to receive, a bachelor's degree or equivalent from an accredited college or university. All majors are welcome to apply.
This means you still need the BA or BS degree (It's an immigration requirement, not just NOVA's.).

Perhaps you were informed that only 12 years of schooling is needed for those flexi-time positions, but I think the majority of them are held by people who are eligible to hold working holiday visas. Americans aren't. If he's Canadian, see if he fits the requirements for a working holiday visa. It's only good for a year once in your life.

Specifically, the web site also says this:
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Working a flexi-schedule position with us allows you more time to experience the fascinating beauty and culture of Japan.

Visa permitting, you can work fewer hours to maximize your time to study, travel Japan to see the sights and get involved in the country or just settle in.
The red bold text is what I want to point out. Since he cannot get a work visa, that means he cannot get this type of position there. The visa requirements do not "permit" him. The only way around this for a work visa is if he can prove at least 3 years of teaching experience.

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I am pretty sure we are considered common law because we have been living together for about 3 years.
That means nothing here. You are not married in the eyes of Japan, so you are two single individuals. Get married, and he can come on a dependent visa and work part-time. Otherwise, he has to deal with the reality that he needs a degree or 3 years of experience for a work visa. If he wants to get a student visa or cultural visa, that's his prerogative, and he can work PT with them (and special permission), but those are his ONLY options.

Suggestions?
Get married or a WHV. You don't need a ceremony, but if you are as serious about this as you say, it's a small price to pay to visit a justice of the peace. Mind you, NOVA cannot guarantee that you will be placed together, whether in the same branch office (a mistake), or in the same city. They will tell you only that they will consider the circumstances. In the end, you go where they have the vacancies.


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Noxness



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PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2007 2:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm. I suspected as much. Thanks for the information and advice.
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ironopolis



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PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2007 2:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course, Nova, like most schools, won't help you find other accommodation if you decide not to take the place they offer you. However, southofreality's advice is good IMO - you could take the Nova place for yourself to give you a couple of months breathing space to sort out somewhere else for both of you. Nova's accommodation has its drawbacks, but it's very flexible - they have no problem with you moving out of it whenever you like as long as you give the 1 month's notice.

Nova as an organisation won't assist you finding your own accommodation, but as long as you can establish a bit of a rapport with the Japanese staff you work with at Nova, you'll find they'd be quite happy to help you by doing things like calling estate agents, explaining accommodation adverts and the like for you. You might also find other teachers you're working with who are able to help you find a place or point you in the right direction.
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Noxness



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PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2007 2:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also very helpful. Thank you.

After sifting through some other very similar posts (should have done more research), I am realizing our options are slim. It all seems like so much trouble for one year. I think I might need to just bite the bullet and go alone, which to be perfectly honest is terrifying, but we all need to make a step out on our own I guess.

We are Canadian, and Glenski, the visa you suggested that would only be of use "once" is the visa that Nova advertises to its "flexi" employees. Meaning that when we sat down they pretty much told us that the visa for flexi is somewhat under the table: ie. you get the visa and then Nova offers you a job.
As you probably know, College is a 2 year non-degree program in Canada, but Nova fully encourages applicants from College to apply to their flexi program. They even suggest as well that if you are in the process of completing education that you can apply, which is why there was confusion on my part.
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J.



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PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2007 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For almost every apartment, non-Japanese need a guarantor. If Nova won't do it, then I think there are companies who do in some places, for a fee. Maybe someone else has more information about them. But you also have to be prepared to pay about 5 months rent up front for all the deposits, gifts to the landlord, rental agent's fees, insurance etc. Maybe not worth it if you are staying for only one year.

The other option is a "gaijin" house, which rents out rooms and where people share the facilities.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2007 9:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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the visa you suggested that would only be of use "once" is the visa that Nova advertises to its "flexi" employees. Meaning that when we sat down they pretty much told us that the visa for flexi is somewhat under the table: ie. you get the visa and then Nova offers you a job.
Under the table? That suggests some illicit dealings, which is not the case. The WHV is a completely legitimate visa, good for PT or FT work. I think you misunderstood that meaning of "under the table".

Of course, the WHV is for people with or without any degree of any sort. Posts here and elsewhere have reported that NOVA will take WHV holders for the flexitime positions, but they seem to require at least a year of university studies. Your man qualifies. Again, nothing shady in that.

Have you discussed another facet of the NOVA application with them, namely health insurance?
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