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brian
Joined: 15 May 2003 Posts: 299
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Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2003 10:31 am Post subject: |
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jason_seeburn wrote: |
Excuse me for being curious, but why would you assume that what happened to me would be different than what happened to anyone else? |
Your excused! Just curious, but why would you assume that what happened to you on a single occasion would be the process by which everyone is processed? Jason my position on the matter has nothing to do with any perceived seniority. It has to do with commonsense, which you don�t seem to have a lot of. Just because you went through the process once doesn�t mean that this is how the process should or always will occur. This is commonsense. If others (myself and Taoyuan Steve) have had other experiences that vary from your own during our multiple visits to and from the island, then you should be intelligent enough to accept that maybe your single experience wasn�t actually the norm. Please wake up to yourself and stop making broad ranging comments of what is the practice when you have only experienced this once during your nine month stay here in Taiwan.
Of course others may have had an identical experience to your own, may have skirted around the process or may have talked their way through. This is good for you but in the scheme of things rather irrelevant. The fact is that it is clearly the norm to have a return ticket when coming here. Your suggestion that once you get your visa you are in the clear is irresponsible and baseless. I trust that since you are so willing to pass on such baseless info to the unwary, that you are equally willing to pick up the tab for a return flight for anyone who arrives here and is refused entry after taking your advice. I am not suggesting that this would happen very often, but as you cant guarantee that it wouldn�t happen then you best refrain from making baseless statements.
jason_seeburn wrote: |
Surely I (and the line of people behind and in front of me) who were not asked for round trip tickets before being allowed into the country, would be the same as everyone else who went to Taiwan or is going to go there? |
Of course Taiwan passport holders are not required to have a return ticket and I am sure that the majority of people in the line were in fact Taiwanese people returning home. In the majority of cases people have a return ticket and therefore the check in staff don�t need to ask about return arrangements - they are holding your ticket in your hand and can clearly see this for themselves. In cases where the ticket you are flying on doesn�t have a return portion you may find that you are asked for proof of a return. If that happens what are you going to do? Go back home again, buy a return portion and fly again on another day!
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I would never buy a round trip ticket anywhere, and no one could ever make me. |
Good for you Jason. No one here is suggesting you should. The advice provided here is provided to those that actually listen and want to learn about how to do things the right and without any hassles. As Aristotle and Taoyuan Steve have both said it is always best to stick with the way things are normally done. If you want to take a more adventurous route then Jason is your man! |
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TaoyuanSteve

Joined: 05 Feb 2003 Posts: 1028 Location: Taoyuan
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Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2003 1:15 pm Post subject: |
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And once again Jason misses the economic argument. Even with his "discounted" ticket home, he still paid signifigantly more for his round trip than I did. That is so even if he got a screaming, unheard-of deal on his trip home. The difference in price between a one-way and round-trip is miniscule. So miniscule that, on my recent trip back home, I purchased another round-trip with an open ended return. With my resident visa and entry permit, I had no need to do so. I chose to do so strictly for economics. That commits me to another flight home next year I'm not sure at this point I want to take (but maybe 8 or 9 months later I may want to see the family again, who knows). Still, it's there if I want it. If I don't want to use it, I can write it off. It's not a huge expense. It was only a couple hundred (and we're talking low value Canuck buck here) dollars over the price of a one-way.
Another benefit of the open ended return is it gives you a low-cost exit option if you suddenly need to leave for some reason. If you need to leave, you don't need money to buy your ticket. Simply call the airline and get on the next flight with space available. Definitely a warm security blanket and insurance policy in case things go sour here.
For Fedsy, I used a print-out itinerary from my travel agent to show my proposed arrival and departure dates. This way you can show TECO your itinerary, but not take delivery of the actual ticket (or pay for it) until you have your visa. That way, if it is refused, you're not dinged for cancellation. |
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jason_seeburn
Joined: 26 Apr 2003 Posts: 399 Location: Toronto
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Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2003 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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jason_seeburn
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TaoyuanSteve

Joined: 05 Feb 2003 Posts: 1028 Location: Taoyuan
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Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2003 4:35 am Post subject: |
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Jason, the evidence is very clear that round trips are a better deal than one-way tickets. Look it up yourself and you will see. To say they are double the price is a factual error. As I said before, I recently purchased a return trip to Taiwan. I weighed both options. The return trip, as I said was only a couple of hundred Canadian dollars more than a one-way. We are talking about the difference between a 900 dollar one-way and a 1100 dollar open ended return. To use your driver's license analogy, I wouldn't want to take driving lessons from a guy who only had his license for 9 months (or that is his claim, though I don't believe him) and now no longer has one. You were in Taiwan for a heartbeat and now want to become an instant expert.
Some things have become very obvious about you:
1) you are obviously very young.
2) you have too much time on your hands in Toronto. You're very obviously not currently in Law school. You post here almost every single day, even though this forum has no relevence to your current life situation whatsoever. You have now been posting here, since you left, for about 1/4th of the time you actually spent living here.
3)your recruiter should be the one posting here as it is he who coached you on what to say to the teco people when you managed to pull off your one way ticket entry to Taiwan.
Look, it's great you found a way to enter this country on a 60 day visa with only a one-way ticket. But that is not the usual way things work for most people. You posted your advice, and people can try it if they like, but the counter-points are: people should stick to the stated rules and the way things are usually done if they want things to go as smoothly as possible 2)you should not attempt to claim that your one entry experience to Taiwan can be taken as a general rule of how things can and will work with all people coming here from all places. The combined experiences of the dissenting postees on this forum far outweigh your single, one-off experience. 3) One-way tickets are a better deal for most people. The price difference is not signifigant. Most people will use the return portion, either for a vacation or to leave when they get sick of the place. It's just better to have an exit back-up plan. Return tickets are also the stated rule here. You'll have fewer problems if you don't deviate from the rule.
Now please, turn off your parents' computer. |
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jason_seeburn
Joined: 26 Apr 2003 Posts: 399 Location: Toronto
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Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2003 6:25 am Post subject: |
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brian
Joined: 15 May 2003 Posts: 299
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Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2003 3:44 am Post subject: |
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Some things have become very obvious about you:
1) you are obviously very young. |
30 years as of June 2003. Thank you for your support. I definately feel very young.
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Now please, turn off your parents' computer. |
Parents? This is my laptop, and my internet is shared with me and my roommate. What in the world are you talking about? |
Clearly what Taoyuan Steve means is that you are immature. I would have to agree.
Why do you stick around this board anyway? Isn't there a law board at your university that you could be posting at? Surely this would be more inline with your current experiences, and would enable you to avoid criticisms about the quality and accuracy of the information that you post here. Why not stick to what you know? |
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Pop Fly

Joined: 15 Feb 2003 Posts: 429
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Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2003 6:31 am Post subject: |
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You go Jason....although you can get personal in your derision of others, I appreciate you sticking to your guns so. Are you planning on being a trial lawyer? Could you benefit from some study of the art of rhetoric?
That said...
I am currently sitting in Taiwan with no means of egress. I have an ARC and have landed at CKS and cleared customs some 1/2 a dozen times now. It is the easiest border I've ever crossed. Thailand is number 2 with my homeland of Canada being the hardest entry ever made, and this being a consistent effort, not any specific try.
As far as the TECO goes...show them a bankbook with some money in it...Last time, I showed them a bankbook that hadn't been updated, showing a balance of 40,000 NT. you can always borrow money from some one, float it into your account, update your book and take it out again....
As for when the best time to arrive is....the only thing to consider is the taxman....there are always jobs....I think after CNY the very best time to get here....
I also showed them an itinerary from the travel agent downstairs from the TECO office....I have done this 3 times....I do not commit to buying a ticket, ever....
The itinerary is simply a matter of asking the travel agent for a printed quote of your alleged journey into Taiwan and out less than 60 days later (more than 30).
No one, in the 6 times I've flown into Taiwan, has ever asked me for evidence of a return ticket. Sometimes, a situation may arise, where, due to budgetary constraints perhaps, one simply cannot afford the luxury of an open-ended tickee....there are also cases where, if you take a contract online, your school may be willing to front the money to you for said tickee....then you may want a one-way...once here, you can fly to HK or BK for future visas....
Now Jason, you are winning your argument as those "dissenting voices" have resorted to questioning your authority to be here, instead of furthering the conversation. They too have resorted to insults, and even though I had to clean some snorted-out subway sammi from my keyboard after reading that comment about your parent's computer, once people start to get personal is when the conversation goes out the window...I, for one, stop listening, as the insultive person's opinion is no longer worth considering. |
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jason_seeburn
Joined: 26 Apr 2003 Posts: 399 Location: Toronto
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brian
Joined: 15 May 2003 Posts: 299
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Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2003 3:49 am Post subject: |
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Pop Fly wrote: |
I, for one, stop listening, as the insultive person's opinion is no longer worth considering. |
Following on from this logic, you musn't have paid attention to anything that Jason has stated here as his posts are full of personal insults and derision of others.
Take a look through the threads, see how tolerant and patient everyone has been of Jason's tantrums and insults and then come back and apologize for the suggestions that you have made in this post.
The fact of the matter is that Jason is speculating, based upon very little fact or personal experience. In doing so he is leaving himself open to others taking him to task when he states things that he is clearly wrong about. As I have stated earlier he has just as much right to make posts here as we do, but hopefully he is willing to accept responsibility when someone taking his advice lands in hot water. Clearly he wants to have a voice online - but why not do this in a forum where his advice and opinions are actually worth something? This is what I don't understand! |
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