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Phil_K



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 1:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Phil_K can you please clarify - was this amount exclusively for the fine or did it include the fee for your new FM2 as well? Would there have been any difference in cost/the fine if you had stayed with an FM3


Just the fine!!! I think it would be the same for FM3 as the fine was for not informing immigration of a change of job, not as MELEE seems to think, "letting my FM3 expire"

MELEE...I hope you are not as superior as your tone sounds...please read the post carefully...Do you want me to be deported and my life and that of my wife ruined?

The error was as stated above. My FM3 was current and always has been. As I changed job just after the last renewal, I though that as long as the FM3 was updated before applying for the FM2, there would be no problem. Sorry for my ignorance!! Crying or Very sad
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MELEE



Joined: 22 Jan 2003
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Location: The Mexican Hinterland

PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't want anyone to have to go through deportation. But my homecountry, the US of A, deports people in your situation every single day. They deport people married to citizens, people who are parents of citzens, the think nothing of tearing families apart. I certainly don't think that's a good thing, I just stated that you are lucky that Mexico doesn't take such a hard stance. In this situation, they could have easily decided to deport you. It says right on page two of the FM3
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3. El titular deber� dar aviso al citado Departamento en los casos de cambio de calidad o caracter�stica migratoria, nacionalida, estado civil, domilicio y actividad a que se dedique, dentro de los 30 d�as posteriores al cambio.

Maybe it wasn't your intention to break the law, but it's your responsiblity to know the terms and conditions of your migratory status in this country, and you have it right there in your hands.
If I was being hard on anyone in my post it was ch, not you. I agree with LS, you lucked out do the the good naturedness of the country, walking out of the office, as ch suggested would have been completely out of line.
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Prof.Gringo



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MELEE wrote:
I don't want anyone to have to go through deportation. But my homecountry, the US of A, deports people in your situation every single day. They deport people married to citizens, people who are parents of citzens, the think nothing of tearing families apart. I certainly don't think that's a good thing, I just stated that you are lucky that Mexico doesn't take such a hard stance.


Actually, Mexico deports a lot of people, most of them just aren't gringos or other "rich" foreigners. Mexico deported over 200,000 Latin Americans last year. And unlike the US, many of them are routinely beaten, robbed, raped and murdered by Mexican police, and immigration officers. Ask any Central American migrant and they'll tell you, they would rather be caught by the US Border Patrol than the Mexican la mirga anyday.

"The number of undocumented immigrants detained in Mexico rose from 138,061 in 2002 to 240,269 in 2005. Forty-two percent were Guatemalan, 33 percent Honduran and most of the rest Salvadoran."

If anybody wants proof read these:

http://www.mexiconews.com.mx/22663.html

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/nationworld/sfl-amexmigration15dec15,0,6883961.story?coll=sfla-news-nationworld

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002953600_mexmigrants26.html?syndication=rss

There are always 2 sides to a coin, but Mexico only wants to see one side.
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Phil_K



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MELEE - Apology accepted (although there wasn't one that I detected!)

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Maybe it wasn't your intention to break the law, but it's your responsiblity to know the terms and conditions of your migratory status in this country, and you have it right there in your hands.


That still sounds like preaching to me. I broke the law, I have $5000, I will pay $5000 and I'm not complaining.
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corporatehuman



Joined: 09 Jan 2006
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 10:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cant I complain for you?

Ojala que todos haya ido a migracion.

It is great you werent deported and though it is a loophole, has to do with your citizenship, etc. etc. we will take it if we get it, right.

Chris
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Samantha



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chris, what exactly are you trying to say in your last post? I don't even want to try to guess.

Immigration routinely fines foreigners for lapsing their FM3's and other such infractions. That's the process. If they catch you working before your FM3 is approved and in your hand you can get whacked and so can the employer. Even if you are on the job "training". It happens. You just have to know the law here. Complaining is a gringo thing and gets you nowhere in Mexico. They just look at you funny and block you out (blah blah blah), probably thinking about the next episode of the soap opera they are hooked on.
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Dragonlady



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 4:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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lisa1968



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chris,

Do you mean ojala que todos fueran a migracion? And I agree with Samantha, what are you trying to say?
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Phil_K



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 10:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Had to dig this one up again to close it!

I finally got my new FM2 this week (May 30) after what seems like an eternity, so I am no longer a VISITOR (ridiculous after paying taxes, buying property etc for the last 5 years) but actually an IMMIGRANT.

What I wanted to ask someone who actually has the experience (information from INAMI is difficult), in 5 years time, if I apply for INMIGRADO status and get the permenant FM2, does that mean no more annual visits to renew and would I still have to go to inform the registry about change of job, address, marital status etc?

I assume on the second point, the answer is yes, as they have my FM1 form and this needs to be constantly updated.
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bdbarnett1



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phil_K wrote:
Had to dig this one up again to close it!

I finally got my new FM2 this week (May 30) after what seems like an eternity, so I am no longer a VISITOR (ridiculous after paying taxes, buying property etc for the last 5 years) but actually an IMMIGRANT.

What I wanted to ask someone who actually has the experience (information from INAMI is difficult), in 5 years time, if I apply for INMIGRADO status and get the permenant FM2, does that mean no more annual visits to renew and would I still have to go to inform the registry about change of job, address, marital status etc?

I assume on the second point, the answer is yes, as they have my FM1 form and this needs to be constantly updated.


Just curious, of which country are you a citizen? USA?
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Samantha



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think he admitted to being a Brit in another thread. Cool
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Phil_K



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 8:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I think he admitted to being a Brit in another thread.


As� es!
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Phil_K



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 8:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BTW, I guess no one can answer my question from actual experience. Even MELEE hasn't been here that long I believe. Very Happy
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Samantha



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't go the FM2 route because I knew I could naturalize sooner, via the FM3. It made no sense to me to get an FM2 for several reasons.

There are still procedures to follow, at least in the first 5 years of the FM2 I've been told, and one is the amount of time you are permitted to be away from Mexico. I think I would check directly with your INAM office since they may view it differently than the folks in another location, but I know a woman here who got a big fat fine for accumulated time away from Mexico, more than the permitted 18 months in 5 years of the FM2. She reverted back to her FM3 after tha,t because apparently noone had told her she couldn't keep her foreign plated car in Mexico once the FM2 entered the next phase. Neither of those things will likely affect you.
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Phil_K



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I didn't go the FM2 route because I knew I could naturalize sooner


I qualify for that now, but my wife won't let me!!! Twisted Evil
She says it is crazy to lose not just British, but European Union citizenship. (As, apparently you have to renounce your own citizenship. That's what the SRE website says, but if anyone knows differently...)
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