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eslstudies
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 Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 8:56 am Post subject: Re: degree |
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| So I politely advise you to keep your opinions to yourself. The OP asked for the advice of experienced teachers IN CHINA. Not mars! as you put it. |
No he/she didn't. If he/she did, how come you're wading in?
My experience in and out of China is ten times yours. I have a B.Ed with an English specialty, and a post grad TESOL. Since when do the unqualified run forums, dictating who is allowed an opinion?
Your defensiveness indicates insecurity. |
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jamesmollo
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| Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 9:00 am Post subject: safea |
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| mr esl studies, it's the SAFEA (state authority foreign expert affairs) get your facts straight. And you don't need a degree. I don't have one. Been teaching in china for 3 years, in 3 different provinces. |
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eslstudies
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| Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 9:09 am Post subject: |
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So I'm dyslexic!
Read my posts jamesmollo! I've only ever been quoting Chinese regulations! You are so damn prickly and defensive. I know very well what you're talking about, and have mostly agreed, but you seem to regard anyone better credentialled than you as a threat. Calm down. I have no desire to take your job. |
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jamesmollo
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| Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 9:17 am Post subject: degree |
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A sticky is a good idea. Do you need a degree to teach your mother tongue? Many foreign teachers are teaching kindergarten, primary school, middle school. Do you need a degree to teach ABC 'hello' 'how are you'?
How many of you know the phonetic script from your B.A? |
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vikuk
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| Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 9:36 am Post subject: |
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| Do you need a degree to teach ABC 'hello' 'how are you' |
Are you suggesting that's the core method to teaching children English ??? If thats the way its done then no wonder so many students are totally turned off by the age of 10 - and why so many FT's can't stand any more of the BS after a term or two!!!!
James be careful, after writing that kind of thinking you could be presented with a scholarship to the University of Simian FT's - but then again with 3 years in China you've probably got a masters from that place  |
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Shan-Shan
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eslstudies
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| Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 10:09 am Post subject: Re: degree |
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| jamesmollo wrote: |
| A sticky is a good idea. Do you need a degree to teach your mother tongue? |
A bare minimum in most countries. |
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colonel
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| I read somewhere that D.P. Gumby was checking out the job scene in China. All he's got is a degree in flower arrangement, but already the offers are pouring in... |
How about the offers are 'showering in'
As for James Mollo I'm sure his culinary prowess exceeds his linguistic prowess.  |
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tw
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| Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 1:07 pm Post subject: Re: safea |
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| jamesmollo wrote: |
| mr esl studies, it's the SAFEA (state authority foreign expert affairs) get your facts straight. |
Actually, that should be State Administration of Foreign Experts Affairs. |
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Shan-Shan
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| Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 1:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Actually, that should be State Administration of Foreign Experts Affairs |
No, it's actually, according to these representatives from SAFEA,
Silly Anthropoids Found Escaped to Asia |
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bleek
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Thank you for all the responses!
I have TESOL and I tutor locally. I am a university student and a native English speaker. I just need a break from school for some real life experience and China is my main interest.
I figure I'm going to just arrive and start looking for a job. If I don't find one, I'll just go home... Not a big deal.
A friend of mine is currently teaching in Shenzhen on a business visa.
He's actually been doing this for 3 years. I was going to get a business visa myself and then see if I get another one offered as I start working.
Have you heard of people working on the business visa? I already have a company I know in China writing me an invitation letter. |
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james s
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lostinasia
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I find it funny nobody has bothered to simply quote the document from SAEFA. Though I won't do it, I'll give it's summary
Language Teacher = someone with high school diploma and no college degree
Foreign Expert = someone with college degree and conducting "business or research"
Though, of course, this is hardly how it really works in this land
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tw
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| Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 1:26 am Post subject: |
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| lostinasia wrote: |
I find it funny nobody has bothered to simply quote the document from SAEFA. Though I won't do it, I'll give it's summary
Foreign Teacher = someone with high school diploma and no college degree
Foreign Expert = someone with college degree and conducting "business or research" |
Look into YOUR Foreign Expert Ccetificate and tell us what it says under "Current work position in China" (page 4). |
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lostinasia
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Well I'm a foreign expert. However, yes, it can say many things. The booklet, the regulations, and what may or may not be written in other locations can, in fact, be quite different. There is no system, we all know that. But the only thing that matters with this thread is that you DO NOT need a college degree to get a job. I met an Australian that teaches at a local international school and he never finished high school, was teaching in China, then got his high school equivalence certificate, and of course never attended college. He has been at the same job for 3 years and is now going to work at one of the universities in the same city he is in now.
It's hit or miss what a school, employer, and the PSB require ... there is no system. |
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