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El Gallo



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 11:31 pm    Post subject: Getting Discouraged Reply with quote

Every day I am getting more and more discouraged about the rising anti-American racism in Mexico. Before the obvious (booing Miss America during her whole stay here, booing the national anthem, booing American athletes, and chants of Osama! Osama! Osama!), I noticed people were becoming less friendly. Three years ago in the streets, when I greeted people with smiles and "buenos d�as" they used to smile back and return the greeting. Now they scowl. In a restaurant the other day, a middle aged lady did not want to sit at the table next to us "porque el gringo" Some perspective students wince at having a gringo teacher "porque su reputaci�n es peligroso" (I think this one is because of the criminal John Attis who disguised himself as Canadian Charlie Pitterson here, taught English and was accused of murdering his Mexican family before he committed suicide.) People I meet at parties want to confront me with conversations about the wall, the war in Iraq and immigration, insisting that all gringos are bad.

Up to now I have enjoyed living in Mexico very much with a loving extended Mexican family. I don't know if I'm becoming jaded, disillusioned or part of the problem but I am beginning to feel most people here hate me because I am a gringo.

Help me Abby, should I stay here until George Bush is finally gone (casi 500 mas d�as de la plaga) to see if it gets better or should I go back to the States and teach English to Mexicans there?
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Clear the Air



Joined: 09 Jun 2007
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 12:50 am    Post subject: can�t relate Reply with quote

Hey El Gallo,

Thanks for your feedback on the other post.

I haven`t experienced any anti-American sentiment since I arrived here over a year ago. I guess I should consider myself lucky. I live in a small town in central Mexico. There are very few foreigners in this town of 100,000, and maybe 10 Americans, if that. Mexicans occasionally do ask me about my thoughts on the war and Bush, and a couple of time students (an 11 year old, even) wrote down how much they hate Bush during a free writing activity. But none of it has ever been directed at me. I read about this anti-Americanism, but can`t say anything from experience.
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Samantha



Joined: 25 Oct 2003
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Location: Mexican Riviera

PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 1:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

El Gallo wrote
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...should I stay here until George Bush is finally gone (casi 500 mas d�as de la plaga) to see if it gets better or should I go back to the States and teach English to Mexicans there?
I would think if you really liked Mexico you would try another area of Mexico.

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I don't know if I'm becoming jaded, disillusioned or part of the problem but I am beginning to feel most people here hate me because I am a gringo.
I doubt they hate you because you are a gringo.

I am sorry for whatever it is that is happening to you, but don't paint Mexicans who cross your path with the same brush as those in the rest of Mexico. There is absolutely NO anti-americanism visible where I live in Mexico. And I think married to a large Mexican family, I would have heard at least an inkling from family or their friends. This whole Miss America thing is getting old and tired. I have never heard such whimpering. We are talking about people who attend beauty pageants and their passion toward such things. It is hysterical that these people are being referred to as "Mexico". Heck, Miss Mexico comes from Sinaloa where I am, and the people I come across don't even mention the pageant. They have gotten on with more important things in life and so should Americans who are stressing about this. Ni modo.
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ls650



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 10:59 am    Post subject: Re: Getting Discouraged Reply with quote

El Gallo wrote:
I noticed people were becoming less friendly.

Strange. I've been in Mexico for three years now, and I have noticed no such change.
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thelmadatter



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 1:34 pm    Post subject: ignore Reply with quote

The anti-Americanism (actually its more xenophobia) I have felt here has been much more subtle than what El Gallo describes.. but its here nonetheless. Mostly its in the form of people wanting me not to exist. Im either ignored when I speak Spanish or I get a deer-in-the-headlights look. Despite asking a number of Mexican friends, all of whom say I speak the language just fine... I have to now assume that when I ask for something, the stranger listening will not understand what I say and either give me nothing or the wrong thing.

At work, foreigners arent really supposed to have any influence on how things are done. I started the self access center here and there (again subtle) resentment towards my "showing people up"

Certainly not all Mexicans behave this way. Mexico City is much better than Toluca and I have Mexican friends... but there are enough people who do act this way that it gets really really old.

I have to wonder about region too. I believe youre in Chiapas, El Gallo... and thats a whole nother world.
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MELEE



Joined: 22 Jan 2003
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Location: The Mexican Hinterland

PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't noticed any change in the amount of Anit-americanism where I live at all recently. If anything locally there is less as the town has finally gotten used to foriegners 15 years after the university opened. Infact this forum is the only place I've heard any mention about the Miss America thing. I have heard a lot of Mexicans apologize this morning for the selecion's performance yesterday--particularly Blanco's nasty jab.

Luckliy I work in an all foreign department, and actually the big big boss is a Spaniard and there are also foreigners in other departments at my university. From talking to teachers from around the country at conferences, I realize this is a unique situation and I fell priviledged to be a part of it.

Again, as I said in the leaving Mexico post, I live in a region that has a very intimate relationship with the US. Despite being miles and miles from the USA, almost every family has one or more members currently on the other side. The love the US--the hate the US--the need the US to survive. Most people have had good and bad experiences with Americans and most are human enough to recognize that the government is not the people.
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sickbag



Joined: 10 Jan 2005
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Location: Blighty

PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, yesterday for the first time in two years of living here I had somebody shout at me in the street. What are you doing here? You shouldn't be here etc.

I was taking a couple of photos in the market (not of anyone in particular).
It was a bit surprising but I've had worse shouted at me (and more often than once very two years) in England.

There are rude people all over the world and I find there are more at home than here.
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Samantha



Joined: 25 Oct 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did you take that to mean that you shouldn't be there in Mexico or that you shouldn't be there taking pictures in the market? Sometimes things get lost in translation or the language barrier, and also our photo taking can be a sensitive issue with some locals. This I have learned.
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ls650



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This thread has me thinking: would things be any different for a foreigner in our home countries? I doubt it. If you were an obvious foreigner, say an Asian or African who spoke English awkwardly or with a strange accent, how well would you really be treated if you were visiting the US, Canada, the UK, Australia, etc.? I suspect not as well as Mexicans treat foreigners.