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boundforsaudi

Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Posts: 243
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 12:25 pm Post subject: bringing more that 10k into the US |
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| If I convert my rials to dollars here at the money changer and carry cash back to the US I save about 100 bucks over doing a wire transfer. But I'll have to fill out customs form 4790. Is that just asking for an audit? Anybody have any experience with that? I guess I could survive an audit, but you never know and who wants the hassle? Pisses me off about the 100 bucks though. |
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veiledsentiments

Joined: 20 Feb 2003 Posts: 17644 Location: USA
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 1:55 pm Post subject: |
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Do you mean a tax audit? That would not be the result. They would merely question the source of the money to make sure that it is not from or for illegal activities like drugs or turrirsm. You might want to carry pay stubs or a copy of your contract. Personally I would get a bank check and mail it home to avoid this aggravation. The moment you deposit it into the bank, it will trigger the same questions. These days even small amounts can get checked. I have had a bank call me three times to question the source of funds when I was transferring between my own accounts!! And it was only $5000.
Carrying large amounts of cash around is really taking a foolish risk. I know of a teaching couple who did this same thing to save a tiny amount in the exchange rate and ended up having almost their full salary for the year stolen. It can so easily get snatched in an airport. I don't think it is worth the gamble myself.
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canadashirleyblue
Joined: 06 May 2007 Posts: 162
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 3:38 pm Post subject: |
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If you are leaving Saudi permanently you will have to close your bank account before you can get an exit visa. You may get paid your last salary AFTER you close your bank account.
You may have to take a large amount of cash out of the country. |
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cmp45

Joined: 17 Aug 2004 Posts: 1475 Location: KSA
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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canadashirleyblue wrote:
If you are leaving Saudi permanently you will have to close your bank account before you can get an exit visa. You may get paid your last salary AFTER you close your bank account.
I am not so sure about this, from what I understand it is not necessary as the banks automatically close your account if you do not renew it each year.
At least this is my situation, I have to renew/reactivate my account each year at the Arab National Bank in Riyadh. |
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007

Joined: 30 Oct 2006 Posts: 2684 Location: UK/Veteran of the Magic Kingdom
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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| canadashirleyblue wrote: |
If you are leaving Saudi permanently you will have to close your bank account before you can get an exit visa. You may get paid your last salary AFTER you close your bank account.
You may have to take a large amount of cash out of the country. |
Not necessarily, I knew some of my friends who left Saudi with a final exit visa without closing their accounts. Generally it depends on your employer and the bank. The bank account is related to your Iqama, the account will be locked/closed automatically if your iqama expires and you do not renew it.
The other thing is that you can withdraw your money from some USA/UK banks using Saudi bank�s card (Visa/master/etc).
I knew another friend who closed his account, then his employer made a mistake and transferred his last salaries in the account (which is closed), and it was a nightmare for him, he could not get his money because he was outside KSA. |
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canadashirleyblue
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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You have to hand in your Igama to get your exit visa.
Your bank account is frozen (supposed to be anyway) when you get your final exit visa.
You can't take the money out of your account without your Igama (well you aren't supposed to be able to).
Even if you were able to put your final pay in your bank account (after getting your exit visa) it would be a mightly foolish thing to leave the money in the account and hope that you would be able to access it later. I wouldn't want to count on getting it via a Saudi bank card. |
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veiledsentiments

Joined: 20 Feb 2003 Posts: 17644 Location: USA
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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Did anyone read the question here or the title of the thread?
It has nothing to do with closing a bank account in Saudi...
He is asking about the possible ramifications of taking a large amount of cash into the US through customs - which is why he chose the General section instead of the Saudi section I suppose.
Has anyone got anything to add related to the OP's question? Has anyone filled in the Form 4790 at a US airport and encountered problems?
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scot47

Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Posts: 15343
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Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 7:16 am Post subject: |
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| Such ardour ın attemptıng to save USDollars100 means that İ have to nomınate the poster for honorary membership of the 300 Club ! |
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canadashirleyblue
Joined: 06 May 2007 Posts: 162
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Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 3:24 pm Post subject: |
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vs
Perhaps you should have read all of the post (including the title). Boundforsaudi is asking about how to take money out of Saudi without problems with tax or paying the $100.
Maybe bound should be made to put his post on the correct formum?(LOL) Maybe we should be excluded from the discussion?(LOL) What are you - a teacher or something?
We were giving whatever information we had. Maybe it wasn't much but it could have been helpful to someone.
If there is anyone out there with better infor lets hear it!
And you veiled? What is it that you have to offer? |
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boundforsaudi

Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Posts: 243
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Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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| If I convert my rials to dollars here at the money changer... |
VS, go to the head of the class. Let's look at the quote. What do you suppose here refers to? The Middle East? Correct! But why ask this question in the Middle East forum? The poster is obviously in Saudi... just look at the name. What's in a name? Exactly! But what's this question got to do with the Middle East? Teachers working in the Middle East are about the only ones likely to have $10k to worry about? Got it. Thanks VS.
Yep. VS is right. I'm in Oman, and I don't need advice on closing my bank account, but thanks anyway.
I was just wondering if anybody here has crossed the US border lately and had to fill out form 4790, now FinCen 105, and how they were treated.
Many law-abiding people are leery of declaring to Customs agents that they are carrying large amounts of cash because federal employees have the bad habit of confiscating cash on the flimsiest of pretexts. The administration brief noted, "When currency is reported, the information may be used to investigate and detect circumvention of our drug, tax and other laws."
http://www.fff.org/freedom/0298d.asp
So I have to pay the bankers this $100 protection money to keep the feds off my back. Great! |
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veiledsentiments

Joined: 20 Feb 2003 Posts: 17644 Location: USA
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Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 10:57 pm Post subject: |
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Hey boundforsaudi,
Thanks for pointing out that I was the only one who managed to read and understand your question (which seemed amazingly simple to me... but perhaps because I am American and aware of the pitfalls of hauling big chunks of cash into the country... which is why I always avoided it).
The only mention of Saudi anywhere is in your screen name and people should answer the question... and keep in mind that people change countries without changing their screen names.
Really it is only a 1% charge... and could save you more than a hundred dollars worth of aggravation.
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