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rebecca432



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Location: Osaka, Japan

PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I fortunately do not have to pay this year, but I received my roommate's bill who has left Japan and it was about 97,000 or so.

I may have read this somewhere but some of the Nova people don't want to pay the tax. That's fine I guess if the person was leaving and never coming back, but let's say a person didn't pay the tax and then wanted to come back to Japan on vacation or to work again. Would he/she be barred entry into the country or be rejected for a work visa because of that non-payment?

I'm not sure how it works but any info might be helpful!
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ironopolis



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 11:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rebecca432 wrote:
but let's say a person didn't pay the tax and then wanted to come back to Japan on vacation or to work again. Would he/she be barred entry into the country or be rejected for a work visa because of that non-payment?




Not 100% certain, but I'd say very probably not for a work visa. Different government departments tend not to talk to each other.

However, if you haven't paid your city tax, the city or ward office will try very hard to track you down while still in the country, even if you move to a different area of Japan. I've heard of people being asked for the money they owed after moving to the other end of the country, of city offices directly asking employers to deduct the amount from salaries. I've even heard one story of a ward office having "frozen" someone's bank account to get the money - the person who told me this is a reliable source but I'm not sure exactly what was meant by this, but suffice to say, if you're still in Japan, they'll keep chasing you hard.

Leave the country permanently though, and I'll think you'd have no problems if you returned at some later date.
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Apsara



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 11:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I left Japan a few years ago planning never to come back. I had paid part of my city tax but not all, and I didn't hand over my gaijin card at Immigration when I left. I ended coming back on the same visa 6 months later Rolling Eyes and as soon as I registered at my new city office I started to get bills from my old city office, with penalty fees for lateness added.

I believe that if you came back as a tourist, it wouldn't affect you as Immigration and the tax department don't seem to share information. If you came back to work however, unless quite a number of years had elapsed then you might find your old ward/ city tax catching up with you at some point.
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johanne



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 7:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My bad news - 396,000 yen, even more than Canuck Shocked
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Yawarakaijin



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 7:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It seems to me that Japan's ward tax is roughly the same as what we north americans pay in INCOME tax. This being the first time I have lived in Japan for consecutive years, the shine is starting to wear off. I still think I pay less taxes here, but it's not much less. Confused
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fluffyhamster



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Location: UK > China > Japan > UK again

PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 7:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I'm pleased to say that I did indeed misread my bill - it's 700,000 yen, not 70,000 as I'd originally (and mistakenly) hoped. So beat that, guys!
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fluffyhamster



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 7:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ha, only joking, it's just 70,000. Looks like Johanne is in the lead now, then. Commiserations at being pipped at the post, Canuck (s*d the size of your huge bill itself LOL).
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fluffyhamster



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 8:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It'd be interesting to hear if people consider this tax as "value for money", proportionately, as they would back in their original country. Overall it seems a lower amount to be paying than back in the UK, but at least there healthcare was free.
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sidjameson



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 8:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fluffy.......local tax doesn't pay for health care in either Japan or the UK.
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fluffyhamster



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 8:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, I know that. Very Happy My "point" rather was that, as Yawarakaijin mentioned above, the amount one is paying locally in Japan is similar to what one pays nationally elsewhere (even though in e.g. the UK, there isn't the need for such expensive health insurance, for a start); then again, Americans have to fork out quite a bit for decent health insurance back home, so perhaps Japan will only seem more expensive mainly to Brits?
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Apsara



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 9:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In New Zealand we have no equivalent of the universal city/ ward tax they have here- only property owners pay rates to the council. Healthcare is free or very cheap depending on your income. Income tax is rather high however. Japan did seem cheap until this ward tax hike, however my taxes altogether are starting to approach the amount I would be paying in NZ.
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