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Is it possible to like Natto.
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gaijin4life



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 2:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Natto is scary !! I can eat sashimi, sushi, nori (ofcourse..) various other strange and unusual things but I do not believe there will ever come a day when I can, of my own free will - eat Natto, never mind enjoy it.

Natto scares me - its like that scary Sardinian cheese with the larvae .. ! Shocked Confused


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Apsara



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 3:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Liking cheese and liking natto are unrelated. It's not the taste or smell of natto that offends me, it's the sliminess. Cheese is not usually slimy. If it is, that means it's probably gone bad.

My husband likes to mix up natto, kimchi, raw egg and rice- one of his favourite dishes. Now that is a vile mixture- I have to leave the room sometimes, or retaliate by eating Vegemite on toast.
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JimDunlop2



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 3:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I often get asked by my Japanese counterparts whether or not I like natto. For this I have developed a rather standardized response.

"Well, unfortunately, natto cannot be classified as "food" in the broad sense... So I can't eat natto any more than I can eat a chair or a pencil or my shirt. Ask me if I like a specific FOOD and I'll be happy to answer you, but natto just isn't an edible product."

Once they get over the fact that I say this with a perfectly serious expression on my face and without flinching, they usually have to think about it for a minute before busting out laughing, as I obviously must be joking. (I dunno. Am I?)
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User N. Ame



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 3:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Natto went from being my least favourite snack food upon arrival Japan, to my most cherished snack upon departure! Give it a chance, before you know it, you'll be downing multi-packs per day. Westerners who hate natto are narrow minded twits with no sense of cullinary adventure. Laughing

There's only one truly inedible food in Japan - konyaku. Like eating bland gelatinized pencil erasers. But the white stringy varietal served as ouden is nice if you imagine really hard you're eating a very tastey, firm Vietnamese pho.
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JimDunlop2



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 4:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

User N. Ame wrote:
Westerners who hate natto are narrow minded twits


No, people who dislike natto just haven't gotten used to the taste of bitter coffee grounds that have the consistency of dog drool. And there are plenty of Japanese people who dislike it too.

User N. Ame wrote:

There's only one truly inedible food in Japan - konyaku. Like eating bland gelatinized pencil erasers.


Nope. Nothing wrong with konyaku. I get it all the time during school lunch. I rather like it.

If you really want to talk about inedible products, any kind of fish where they except you to eat the whole damn thing, head, fins and tail included. Whenever I boycott this particular "delicacy" (and that includes fish fry in my salad), they accuse me of disliking fish. "No," I tell them. "I like fish just fine. I just don't eat things that look up at me as I eat them. Serve the same thing de-boned, gutted, beheaded and without tails and fins and I'll be more than happy to try some."
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User N. Ame



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 4:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JimDunlop2 wrote:
If you really want to talk about inedible products, any kind of fish where they except you to eat the whole damn thing, head, fins and tail included.


You mean those little sardine-like preganant thingys, full of little white eggs?? I love that food!!!!!! Took me a few tries, but within a year of school lunches, I actually began looking at the monthly kyushoku menu to see when next!

Jim, your taste-buds live a sheltered, deprived life. You don;t know what you're missing... Wink
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TokyoLiz



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 4:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

User N. Ame said

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You mean those little sardine-like preganant thingys, full of little white eggs?? I love that food!!!!!! Took me a few tries, but within a year of school lunches, I actually began looking at the monthly kyushoku menu to see when next!


Shishamo! Yum!

I'm addicted to natto and these days, I can't have a meal at kaitenzushi without natto maki and umeshiso maki.
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User N. Ame



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 4:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TokyoLiz wrote:
User N. Ame said

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You mean those little sardine-like preganant thingys, full of little white eggs?? I love that food!!!!!! Took me a few tries, but within a year of school lunches, I actually began looking at the monthly kyushoku menu to see when next!


Shishamo! Yum! Unfortuantely, I have yet to find a Vancouver "izakaya" that serves it. Crying or Very sad

I'm addicted to natto and these days, I can't have a meal at kaitenzushi without natto maki and umeshiso maki.


Shishamo! Ya, that's the one!

Liz, I confess I developed an addiction to natto, too. I really think that what foreigners find disgusting about natto is the idea of it, the weirdness of it, rather than the food itself. But it's sort of like durian fruit, you get over the weirdness of the texture, the unfamiliar odour, and if you can get past that, an amazingly versatile, delicious, little food, and very healthy!

natto rules!
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JimDunlop2



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 4:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, no. My taste buds are fine, thank you very much. They enjoy a great variety, in fact. Just not some of the sad excuses for food they have here (especially in the way of kyuushoku).

I rather enjoy spicy food -- anything Thai or Korean is pure bliss. I've even gone out of my way to try the unusual (yeah -- I ate the dog when I was in Pusan. It was a little strange but the dog soup was pretty tasty).

The Japanese have a lot to learn about good food and cooking. It was no coincidence that several years ago, there was a hilarious run-in with Tim & Nina Zagat, the publishers of Zagat's restaurant guides.

Turns out, that the producers of the "Iron Chef" program felt slighted that the Zagats didn't feel it appropriate to included ANY Japanese restaurants in their Zagat's guide to Tokyo... And hoped that their "Iron Chef Japanese" would be able to redeem the country and to prove to the Zagats that they were not only worthy of inclusion into their restaurant guides, but that the Japanese were capable of producing food that could compete in the international arena of gourmet cuisine. To help achieve this, they invited Tim and Nina Zagat as "guest judges" during an Iron Chef contest/show.

At the end of the show, when the judges comment on the dishes that the chefs prepared, a translator was employed to translate the Zagats' comments. He did what he could to tone down their strong comments, and even then the host of the show was visibly distraught, and so angry and seething, he could barely contain himself. They have few kind words to say about the Japanese gourmet dishes that were prepared for them... The presentation was amazing (as one might expect) but apparently it was all a tad lacking in the taste department.

I dunno. You can have your natto and pregnant fish with eyes, but I tend to agree with the Zagats. I've had a lot of good food in a lot of different countries, and I'd be a liar if I said I didn't really enjoy some of the foods in Japan, but to say that I've had something so unbelievably fantastic here that I'd be crushed if I could never have it again, I'd be lying also.

Perhaps your own taste buds have gotten a little too Japanized....
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Yawarakaijin



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 4:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You think Natto is bad? Wink I will shortly be moving to Nagano-ken and was there a few weekends ago to be introduced to the boys in the office. On our first trip to the izakaya I was informed that I would have to go through an initiation ritual. Wink It appears a few of the locals have some peculiar tastes.....and would soon have to step up to the plate.

#1. Zazamushi




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In my defence....I waited until after lunch Wink
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User N. Ame



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 4:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JimDunlop2 wrote:
The Japanese have a lot to learn about good food and cooking.


Jim, this is a tad ethnocentric, don't you think? Japan's cuisine has long been accused by Western food critics of being all about presentation, and little about taste. But I think this misguided. Japanese cuisine emphasizes texture, and does so like no other culture. I also think that Japanese cuisine is far wider-ranging than many gaijin give it credit for. If you've travelled Japan, you notice regional variations are amazingly original, unique and unlike anything you'll be able to get anywhere else.

I realized how subtle and delicate Japan's tastes were when I returned to my home nation of Canada after 3 years. Right away, I noticed how salted-down and monodimensional food in the West tends to be is, and how we need to pour hot sauce on everything just to spice it up. Japanese cooking is understated, elegant and often quite pragmatic. I'd take an izakaya over the deep fried pubs and bars of the West any day of the week.
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JimDunlop2



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 5:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mmmmm. Hot sauce! Razz

If I could have the IDEAL pub, it would definitely include izakaya fare AND Western fare. E.g.

Edamame
yakitori
yakisoba
takoyaki
various sashimi
mixed nuts
Calamari
pickled eggs
veggies & dip
pretzels
nachos (with lotsa cheese, salsa guacamole)
potato skins (with butter, sour cream, bacon and chives)
onion rings

I'd also have my favorite beers on tap:

Pilsner Urquell (CZ)
Budvar (CZ)
Traditional Ale (Big Rock Brewery, Canada)
Guinness & Kilkenny (IRL)
Coors Light (US) (Great for summer when I want to drink a LOT without getting gooned)
Rickard's (Red, Gold, Pale Ale) (CDN)
Sleeman's Honey Brown (CDN)
Edelpils (JPN)
Yebisu (JPN)

Unfortunately, I'm not a huge texture guy. It's gotta taste good for me to like it. That's probably why my favorite food in the whole wide world is steak, cooked very rare. (Which, incidentally, the Japanese tend to excel at sometimes. Some of the most amazing steak I've ever eaten has been prepared here in Japan).
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fluffyhamster



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 6:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

First time I had (that is, had the option of eating/forcing down) one of those little pots of natto at my JHS, I grabbed the long bread roll, made a mouth in the end of it, positioned it so it looked like the head of an Alien (TM), then liberally applied some of the spewy gunk. Et le voila, Alien complete with acidic slimey saliva. Idea
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gaijin4life



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 6:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

gaijin4life wrote:
.. Natto scares me - its like that scary Sardinian cheese with the larvae .. ! Shocked Confused

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casu_Marzu

Apsara wrote:
Liking cheese and liking natto are unrelated..


Natto = strong unpleasant smell; unappetising looking; in a biodegrading state.
Casu Marzu = strong unpleasant smell; unappetising looking; in a biodegrading state.
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TokyoLiz



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 6:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kids, natto is the Cheese of the East.

Cheese...That cheese stuff is addictive. Allan Watts and his cheese haiku are calling me...
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