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cj750s
Joined: 26 May 2007
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| No more shall we wonder about the abnormal wear and tear in your jeans right around the knees. |
Joe C... I have the worst gag reflex...but it is better than bendin over...now grunt like a zhu |
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Joe C.
Joined: 08 May 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 11:27 am Post subject: |
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| No more shall we wonder about the abnormal wear and tear in your jeans right around the knees. |
Joe C... I have the worst gag reflex...but it is better than bendin over...now grunt like a zhu |
Don't be modest, BJ. With your experience, nothing short of a baseball bat would make you gag.  |
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SnoopBot
Joined: 21 Jun 2007
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Location: USA
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| Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 4:12 pm Post subject: Re: clarification |
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| My contract is with a highly regarded university but, instead of giving me university classes, they have sent me to fill in my time at this shabby little language school. Someone is getting rich! |
My gosh, this sounds like a typical story, and you're correct.
What happens is legit university X guanxi friends work in training center or business district Y. Over drinks and food, X is told by Y they will pay them a fee to provide FT's to their center. X gets to pocket the money and Y gets warm bodies. This is a typical setup going thru back doors to get FT's.
You mentioned after 3 months they will provide you the Z visa? I bet you that they have no permissions to offer any visa and will work you until you quit with the excuse "The visa is in mail" the whole time you're waiting.
Bail out now, start looking for another position before they are all filled. There is still lots of opportunities left right now.
Cut your losses, and prepare to do a runner. The chances of you working at the university won't happen. You will most likely drift from one dodgy training center to another.
You might not have been actually hired to teach at that university, but recruited under the guise of being connected to a top university.
This is a common scam many in the admin positions are pulling right now, they are using someone in the university system to draw in applicants and then farming them out to various training centers that cannot legally hire FT's.
Everyone else gets rich in this situation except you.
Does the moderators allow us to post institution names in these threads?
I would like to know who these people are so I can avoid them too.
This scam is a popular one in Beijing right now where the big name universities are located.
Avoid the ones that farm you out in the business districts. You will sit in 4 hours of traffic jams on the 4th ring road (unpaid) to teach 3 hours at the district. Those unpaid hours of smelling exhaust fumes , are higher than your actual teaching hours. Most business district farm-out positions teach in the evening after 6 pm.
So you will sit in traffic from 3 pm arrive around 6 teach till 9 pm and get home around 11 pm.
That is additional to your day position from 7 am to 3. A working day =
7 am to 11 pm at night.
Avoid Avoid Avoid !!! This is a lesson for all. |
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Joe C.
Joined: 08 May 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 12:40 am Post subject: Re: clarification |
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| Does the moderators allow us to post institution names in these threads? I would like to know who these people are so I can avoid them too. |
If they do not, they are doing the ESL community a big disservice. |
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cj750s
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| Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 4:32 am Post subject: |
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| Don't be modest, BJ. With your experience, nothing short of a baseball bat would make you gag. |
I'm afraid my abilities would never match yours...
coming from the minor leagues, I would imagine your use to swingin a smaller bat ... |
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clay4bc
Joined: 30 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 10:17 am Post subject: |
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| You have no Z visa, so just take their money, fly to Hong Kong, but DON"T GET THE Z VISA. Just extend the tourist visa, and let the next school worry about the Z visa and such. Hang in HK for a while, or go home - whatever, but don't even give the school another thought. If you don't have a foreign experts certificate, they are not sponsoring you, and you have no responsibility to them at all. |
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englishgibson
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| Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 5:46 am Post subject: |
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HK might be rather expensive to hang around for too long ... wouldn't Vietnam (nearby) be a better choice? ..."foreign expert cert" may or may not have a connection to your work visa as i know...there're some responsibilities with those Zs if we like it or not
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.... if you shaft your school, they might just be peeved enough to contact the PSB and tell them you did some horrid thing. Then when you try to leave and the cops at the airport run your name through their computer.....Bingo!
Now you've got REAL trouble. |
a really good point there...so, it's in the best of FTs interest to change their visas or shall i say any connection to the company they've shafted
from my experience, contract clause with a detailed breach from either side might come handy when worst comes to worst...so, if an FT's clause says that the employer's breached the contract and has to provide a release letter for the work visa conversion  ...pay attention to your contracts and convert to L (it isn't like to another religion, is it?)
peace to all
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cheers and beers to all kinda visas from A to Z  |
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WYSIWYG
Joined: 17 Oct 2004
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Location: It's good to be in my own little world. We all know each other here!
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| Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 11:55 pm Post subject: |
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| I think your plan to leave on the L is the best idea, as many above have also mentioned. |
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jeffinflorida
Joined: 22 Dec 2004
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Location: "I'm too proud to beg and too lazy to work" Uncle Fester, The Addams Family season two
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| 9.9 times out of ten they will not cancel your RPF unless you physically surrender your passport to the PSB. |
This is the most incorrect statement I have read on this board. The school and PSB do not need your passport in their possession. If the school tells the PSB you skipped and you have a school sponsored Z /RP in your passport and they file a report to the PSB the PSB can and WILL cancel your Z visa / RP in the computer system and you will get caught on the way out and have to pay a fine depending on the amount of days past the date they have canceled the visa.
IF THE SCHOOL FILES THIS REPORT YOUR VISA WILL BE CANCELED IN THEIR COMPUTER SYSTEM REGARDLESS OF THE EXPIRY DATE OF THE VISA IN YOUR PASSPORT.
And op please name the school so those of us considering working in Fuzhou know to stay clear...
Also tell us what you thought of living in Fuzhou please. |
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cj750s
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| Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 2:51 am Post subject: |
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| The school and PSB do not need your passport in their possession. |
While I agree that they can cancel ...the PSB has told me they would not unless the holder was notified in person and they had the passport in their hands... |
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jeffinflorida
Joined: 22 Dec 2004
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Location: "I'm too proud to beg and too lazy to work" Uncle Fester, The Addams Family season two
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| The school and PSB do not need your passport in their possession. |
While I agree that they can cancel ...the PSB has told me they would not unless the holder was notified in person and they had the passport in their hands... |
I left a school once - aka a runner - and found out that my Z visa / RP was canceled( 20 days later after I left) and I was never notified until I attempted to exit the Big Red Wall... |
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cj750s
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| Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 4:14 am Post subject: |
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I do beleave that this happen to you Jeff....as I reported before the RP is listed nation wide now..either by computer or phone...I am only reporting what the PSB has informed me....
I have never handed my passport over to a school when I was leaving and have never had the RP canceled...but I have heard from a couple of friends who own schools that at their locations the PSB has informed school owners that they could cancel RPs with out the applicant..although they have not done so as of yet...
As I have said many times before ..you have to be at ground zero to know how a situation will play out on the ground....and even then the results will vary from one place to the other...advice given from a web page is usually "useless" except for getting an idea as to how it should work.
What happend and how was it resolved.. |
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Joe C.
Joined: 08 May 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 6:57 am Post subject: |
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| The school and PSB do not need your passport in their possession. |
While I agree that they can cancel ...the PSB has told me they would not unless the holder was notified in person and they had the passport in their hands... |
I left a school once - aka a runner - and found out that my Z visa / RP was canceled( 20 days later after I left) and I was never notified until I attempted to exit the Big Red Wall... |
They tend to do that to foreigners porking little girls under 12.
For the rest of us, nothing is ever done. |
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Brian Caulfield
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
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| Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 11:17 am Post subject: |
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| you all take yourselves to be too important . If you have no money in an account in china they can't take anything . Take a chance that someone won't ripp you and mail Chinese valuables back to where you come from and skip or jump back home . Teachers are small potatoes to the powers that be . The real losers are companies losing in the millions and billions . |
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WYSIWYG
Joined: 17 Oct 2004
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Location: It's good to be in my own little world. We all know each other here!
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| Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 11:52 am Post subject: |
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| you all take yourselves to be too important . If you have no money in an account in china they can't take anything . |
Personally, if I wanted to leave this country, being detained would certainly qualify as being "something". 
I simply can't imagine the Police here saying "OH!, I'm sorry to hear you're broke, please be on your way then!" |
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