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| How do you rate Kojen Schools (ELSI) |
| 10 (Best on the Island) |
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| Total Votes : 9 |
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brian
Joined: 15 May 2003
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 Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2003 12:02 am Post subject: |
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Cheers Pop Fly! The info was very detailed.
Will keep it all above board in future! |
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brian
Joined: 15 May 2003
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| Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2003 3:48 am Post subject: |
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I find this poll very interesting. To date there have been six votes with an outcome of 50% for and 50% against Kojen.
Considering that boards such as this one tend to portray the negatives of schools and teaching in Taiwan, one would expect that the votes would be strongly skewed to the side of criticism. I certainly expected that this would be the case.
Taking into account this negative bias, the fact that the votes are about equal seems to suggest that Kojen isn't such a bad school to work for after all. As per my earlier posts, I wouldn't work for them again, but clearly they are a school that one shouldn't avoid without due consideration.
Thanks for setting up the poll Aristotle! |
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Aristotle
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Location: Taiwan
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2003 5:18 am Post subject: |
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| I think this poll indicates the extreme difference of opinion between teachers who work in Taipei (a good School) and those who work at branches outside of Taipei (awful). Fully supports the research I have on that chain school as well. |
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brian
Joined: 15 May 2003
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2003 1:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Aristotle wrote: |
| I think this poll indicates the extreme difference of opinion between teachers who work in Taipei (a good School) and those who work at branches outside of Taipei (awful). |
I don't see how you can summize that from the poll!! I do however feel that you raise a very valid point in as much as experiences in the country and southern areas of Taiwan seem to vary a great deal from those in Taipei.
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| Fully supports the research I have on that chain school as well. |
Care to share that info with the rest of us or is this only available to fee paying members? |
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Aristotle
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2003 4:19 am Post subject: |
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How else do you explain the extreme difference in opinions. Reading the public postings made by many of the teachers is enough to convince most.
Your assumption is correct concerning access to private information.
As for fee paying members, there are none.
A. |
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brian
Joined: 15 May 2003
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| Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2003 2:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Aristotle wrote: |
| How else do you explain the extreme difference in opinions. Reading the public postings made by many of the teachers is enough to convince most. |
Of course there is a difference of opinions regarding this school. It is related to each individuals different experiences and perceptions of the school. That is obvious. What I don't see though is how you can summise from this poll that these differences are due to differences in schools in Taipei and those elsewhere throughout the island. This seems to be nothing more than a guestimate on your behalf.
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| Your assumption is correct concerning access to private information. |
Look,if you are not going to share such information with us all on this board then please stop making references to such info on this board. There doesnt seem to be any reason that I can think of that such information should remain 'private', particularly as you present yourself as being here to help teachers, but if that is what you want then so be it.
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| As for fee paying members, there are none. |
I don't really understand. According to your website 'Legal fees and other expenses are the responsibility of the membership.' Unless I am reading this wrong, then I take this to mean that all members are required to chip in should one member need to cover legal costs. May not constitute a membership fee, but certainly means that members basically need to pay for your services and the information that you offer. If so, I can see why you are so protective of this info. This is your right of course, but please don't misrepresent yourself as being a teachers organization set up for the teachers. You are a private enterprise charging for the supply of information to teachers! |
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Aristotle
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Location: Taiwan
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| Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2003 2:59 am Post subject: |
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To this date SSETT has never accepted or ask for any money from any of it's members for use by the organization. SSETT has never charged any member or non member for any information, advice or service that has been provided.
The only reason I mentioned my research is because the bulk of it and a brief summary are listed in the post above. The only information that I have not made public are a few charts and graphs as well as the private correspondences from former teacherS, teacher trainers and directors that asked me to keep that information private. The excluded information may still be available to those who have the real need to know.
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| Unless I am reading this wrong... |
You are.
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brian
Joined: 15 May 2003
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| Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2003 2:42 am Post subject: |
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| Aristotle wrote: |
| To this date SSETT has never accepted or ask for any money from any of it's members for use by the organization. SSETT has never charged any member or non member for any information, advice or service that has been provided. |
1. Well what does that sentence on your website mean? It seems to be pretty clear to me, but if I have misunderstood please clarify.
2.Is the fact that you havent asked members to pay any monies to date due to the fact that you havent actually been required to collect money on behalf of legal action for members because non of your members has insituted legal action through your SSET?
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| The only information that I have not made public are a few charts and graphs as well as the private correspondences from former teacherS, teacher trainers and directors that asked me to keep that information private. The excluded information may still be available to those who have the real need to know. |
3. You have claimed that you have put together a list of schools that are worth working for. This is the info that I am requesting you share with us as you are continually advising against working for schools and universities. I am sure that I am not the only one who would like to know who we should be working for. No one is requesting that you release the names of individuals or details that could identify those that have contacted you privately.
I am looking for the positive info, not the negative stuff that we have all heard before. I find it hard to believe though that your membership contacts you and says 'This is a really great school to work for, but please don't tell anyone as I dont want to be identified'.
Finally, if you feel that we dont have the right to know this info, then as I have said before you might want to stop referring to it! |
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Aristotle
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2003 9:25 am Post subject: |
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Do your own homework or apply for membership. It is really that simple.
I have already stated that membership cost nothing. If you are so interested in the goings on and services offered fill out the application.
I have to warn you however having a criminal background will disqualify you.
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brian
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| Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2003 1:49 pm Post subject: |
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| I have to warn you however having a criminal background will disqualify you. |
Aristotle you want to watch what you say. Although it may not have been your intention to do so, this reads to me like you are suggesting that I have a criminal record. I most certainly do not and resent the implication.
While we are on the subject though - how do you actualy determine if someone applying for membership actually has a criminal record or not. I doubt that they would tell you even if they did and it would be next to impossible for you to find out. It seems a bit irrelevant to suggest that this would preclude them from membership.
As to the other matters, well I think that everything is perfectly clear. You are obviously unwilling to help teachers unless they are members. You should probably post this minor detail on the front page of your site - that you are an organisation that is set up to help your members, not to help teachers! Just a thought! |
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mjed9
Joined: 25 Oct 2003
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| Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2003 2:14 am Post subject: |
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Brian - not that he needs protection but I think Aristotle provides a lot of information to teachers on this forum so your accusation of
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| You are obviously unwilling to help teachers unless they are members |
is quite inaccurate.
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suggests nothing about you personally. I guess it is a matter of you inferring incorrectly rather than any implication on his behalf but however you are quite right about how he would go about checking. I doubt very much if he could run any sort of "police check".
As a matter of interest Aristotle how would you check that? |
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brian
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| Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2003 3:49 am Post subject: |
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Aristotle has been here for a long time and obviously has experience in a variety of areas far greater than myself and other users of this site. I appreciate the efforts that he goes to and the time that he spends replying to queries as much as anyone. It would be a great loss to this site if he were to pack his bags and leave, and I would certainly not like to be the one that suggest that he do so. I dont expect that I will be here forever but you never know Aristotle just might be! If I have indicated otherwise then I apologize.
My concerns with his information are mainly based around his secret society. It is all promoted as being set up for teachers, yet none of the really helpful information that he states that he has is actually available to teachers, unless of course you give up your anonymity and become a member of his secret society - which he openly states is illegal. Why should newcomers take their first tentative steps into Taiwan by joining an illegal society just to find out what schools are worth looking at? Surely, anyone who has this information should be willing to share it with the rest of us. Aristotle is of course within his rights to keep such info to himself, but if this is going to be his decision then surely he should stop touting the availability of such information on these boards.
My hope is that one day Aristotle will share this info with us so that we can all benefit, regardless of whether we are a member of his society or not. I mean surely that is the ultimate aim isnt it - help teachers avoid injustices! |
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Aristotle
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2003 4:56 am Post subject: |
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You are not the first one to suggest such a thing. I can't rule it out but the decision is not entirely mine to make. The majority opinion is " In light of the current situation for teacher's in Taiwan the current method of operation is the best option for all involved."
I do understand your point of view and do agree with many aspects of it.
A.
Now why would somebody give them a middle rating? |
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